Image ImageImage Image

OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond

Moderators: HomoSapien, dougthonus, kulaz3000, fleet, RedBulls23, Ice Man, Tommy Udo 6 , AshyLarrysDiaper, GimmeDat, DASMACKDOWN, Payt10

dice
RealGM
Posts: 36,379
And1: 9,657
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Location: chicago

Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#1781 » by dice » Sat May 23, 2020 6:15 pm

Susan wrote:I'm not really sure what you two want.

Foles has a statistical run that's pretty freaking rare. He's got a Super Bowl MVP victory over Brady. We have no idea what Foles will bring. He was brilliant in 2013, he was 6-2 as a starter before he broke his collarbone in 2014, got traded to STL where he sucked with
no legit WRs, left there and was a backup in KC followed by Philly where he was 7-2 as a starter and happened to win a Super Bowl/Super Bowl MVP and the following year won a road playoff game against Trubsiky and our dominant defense

1) we know the resume
2) you seem to be pinning a lot of hope on the foles to robinson connection ("he sucked w/ no legit WRs")
3) why do you keep bringing up brady? it's completely irrelevant who the QB of the other team was. isn't playing well in the super bowl enough?
"all those muscles ain't gonna help you tonight. i'm gonna bust you up" - larry bird to rookie anthony mason before going for 29/18/11
User avatar
Red Larrivee
RealGM
Posts: 41,909
And1: 18,661
Joined: Feb 15, 2007
Location: Hogging Microphone Time From Tom Dore

Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#1782 » by Red Larrivee » Sat May 23, 2020 11:29 pm

Susan wrote:I'm not really sure what you two want.

Foles has a statistical run that's pretty freaking rare. He's got a Super Bowl MVP victory over Brady. We have no idea what Foles will bring. He was brilliant in 2013, he was 6-2 as a starter before he broke his collarbone in 2014, got traded to STL where he sucked with
no legit WRs, left there and was a backup in KC followed by Philly where he was 7-2 as a starter and happened to win a Super Bowl/Super Bowl MVP and the following year won a road playoff game against Trubsiky and our dominant defense.

Here's the list of players

Dude's career is weird but his peaks are about as high as it gets in the NFL. To say "Bears best chance to win a super bowl was to double down on Trubisky" and then ignore Foles' peak is just a weird take. Trubisky's peak doesn't touch Foles from either a team accomplishment standpoint or a statistical peak standpoint.

I have no idea what Foles is going to bring this season and to pretend like you do would be foolish. Dude's been all over the place in his career. If he's healthy and the defense is rolling, this is a really good team.


In theory, if Foles is merely a competent starting QB, then this is a good team. The problem with this hypothetical is that Foles has not been the starting QB for most of or an entire season since 2015. His statline that season was awful. Granted, it was a Jeff Fisher team, but Foles did not look like a player you would want starting.

Foles' career is full of too many small sample sizes of competence and incompetence. What we do know is that any time he's been thrusted into a starting QB role, the team moved on not long after. Of course, people will bring up the SB run, and you can't take that away from him. However, that team was already elite when he stepped in. They basically gave him the keys to a lamborghini and told him not to crash it.

It's pretty unideal that the Bears have two QBs who they have no idea what they're going to get from.
dice
RealGM
Posts: 36,379
And1: 9,657
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Location: chicago

Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#1783 » by dice » Sun May 24, 2020 4:09 am

WC1 seahawks over eagles
WC2 bucs over cowboys
WC3 niners over pack

div1 saints over niners
div2 seahawks over bucs

champ seahawks over saints

bears/vikings 9 wins
"all those muscles ain't gonna help you tonight. i'm gonna bust you up" - larry bird to rookie anthony mason before going for 29/18/11
nitetrain8603
RealGM
Posts: 23,202
And1: 1,312
Joined: May 30, 2003
         

Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#1784 » by nitetrain8603 » Sun May 24, 2020 3:16 pm

What are Foles' career numbers including playoffs? What are Mitch's? Without looking it up, you have enough there to probably say, neither are your future, nor should they be your current starter.

Foles' is a fringe starting QB. He's an upgrade over Chase Daniels. After more than a few years in the NFL, you can pretty much guess what he's going to be.

Also keep in mind, yeah he had a good playoff run with a more than decent offensive cast. You still need a QB to get you to the playoffs and you still need even an average offensive supporting cast.

Sent from my Pixel 3a using RealGM mobile app
dice
RealGM
Posts: 36,379
And1: 9,657
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Location: chicago

Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#1785 » by dice » Mon May 25, 2020 11:30 pm

nagy says he will be playing starters a lot more this preseason. although i would imagine that it will be shortened this year. pretty much a necessity to split time foles/trubisky if this QB competition thing is legit
"all those muscles ain't gonna help you tonight. i'm gonna bust you up" - larry bird to rookie anthony mason before going for 29/18/11
User avatar
Kurt Heimlich
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,516
And1: 3,330
Joined: Jun 26, 2001

Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#1786 » by Kurt Heimlich » Tue May 26, 2020 12:04 am

I'm hoping we get the Nick Foles magic that Peyton trolled Brady with and that Susan preaches about this year for the Bears.

But at the cost of sounding repetitive boy oh boy it absolutely should be a career ending move to F up as bad as Pace did in the 2017 draft. Idenfitying (correctly) that QB was the #1 need was astute. Tradeing up to go get your guy was unecessary if you had any level of savy at the time (bimbo Pace point #1). But then you pick far and away pick the WORST option out of all THREE. Not even a coin flip. You could get 3 flips and still be "right 2 out of 3 times. And this fool Pace was graced with the ability to still have the 1st choice amongst them. And he completely wiffed. Such an obvious indicator that he has no legitimate eye for actual franchise determining talent. And the stories we hear say that he didn't give the most obvious option, Deshaun Watson, the time of day, is so even further incrimminating.

If Krause was the "villian" of the Last Dance, Ryan Pace is the hilariously unfit bimbo, incompetently botching the potential for a legit dynasty that will now never happen. We are the Portland Trailblazers. Mitch is Sam Bowie. And Pace is the idiotic Portland GM. Krause didn't draft MJ, but at he got most subsequent things right prior to going full egomaniac in the mid/last 90s.
MalagaBulls
Veteran
Posts: 2,682
And1: 806
Joined: Dec 15, 2013
Location: Malaga, Spain (Where the Sun Shines)
       

Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#1787 » by MalagaBulls » Fri Jun 5, 2020 6:45 pm

Really, the Jets want Long??

Read on Twitter
?s=19
MGB8
RealGM
Posts: 15,352
And1: 1,500
Joined: Jul 20, 2001
Location: Philly

Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#1788 » by MGB8 » Fri Jun 5, 2020 7:19 pm

Non-Bears fan (Philly area Vikings fan... long story) but Foles is interesting for you guys.

Here's the deal with him:

(1) He's streaky - he can play exceptionally well, with amazing anticipation, timing and accuracy for weeks... and then just... not;
(2) He's not durable - something that probably plays into number 1 - Foles' biggest issue is that he doesn't seem to hold up all that well to being banged around.

In 2017, he was really only "ok" in the regular season starts that he had, but played exceptionally well in the playoffs. At the same time, he was only sacked twice (once by the Falcons, once by the Vikes, never by the Pats) and was only under significant pressure by the Falcons... where the Vikes kind of imploded, exhausted after the Minneapolis Miracle.

You had a pick 6 by Keenum to the Eagles tying the game up at 7, a fumble deep into Eagles territory by Keenum ending a chance to tie it at 14 Vikes, and the Vikes defense without Shamar Stephen and a banged up Rhodes while the offense missing its starting guard and then the banged up center goes out in the 3rd, while their 2nd WR who was also injured was limited... Vikes basically gave up and Foles exploited that.

The point being that while Foles has some magic in him, it often time is a bit circumstantial, and doesn't seem to last very long. Still, if the Bears can keep him from taking too many hits, he would certainly be an upgrade over Trubinsky trying to emulate Christian Ponder.
dice
RealGM
Posts: 36,379
And1: 9,657
Joined: Jun 30, 2003
Location: chicago

Re: OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond 

Post#1789 » by dice » Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:31 pm

pats sign cameron newton to minimal salary, incentive-laden deal that will pay him a max of 7.5 mil. i wish that our national leadership was competent enough to leave open the possibility of packed stadiums in the fall, 'cause this season's gonna be real interesting. with brady vs belichick at the top of the intrigue list

six projected backups making more than cam this season:

alex smith (21.4 in washington), brissett (21.4), trubisky (9.3), mariota in vegas (9.1), fitzpatrick in miami (8), tyrod taylor w/ the chargers (7.5)

reportedly the only other team to talk with him was the browns
"all those muscles ain't gonna help you tonight. i'm gonna bust you up" - larry bird to rookie anthony mason before going for 29/18/11

Return to Chicago Bulls