nomorezorro wrote:i don't think pace is a bad gm, necessarily, but i think he is flawed enough that if the team underwhelms next season, you should not feel bad at all about moving on from him in hopes of finding someone better.
he'll have had six seasons after this one; i think he is who he is at this point.
I think a compelling case can be made that Trubisky flaming out would be good enough reason to dump Pace. Not just the fact that he missed on a 1st round pick, but he traded up went against was the conventional top QB prospect which IMO was Watson and took the guy who "looked" like the guy instead of taking the guy that the tape said was the guy.
trubisky was the top prospect. the issue was the bears thinking that he was head and shoulders the best prospect, which was NOT the general consensus
I don't really care what anybody has to say their has been a concerted effort to keep black QB's from succeeding from Warren Moon to Lamar Jackson their has always been an apprehension with black QB's even squeaky clean Russell WIlson suffered from the stigma, and don't give me the "he's short" line, Johnny Manziel showed nothing but red flags at roughly the same size and got picked in the 1st round.
a concerted effort by who? are nfl organizations not operating independently and in their own best interests? a team has no incentive whatsoever to pass on a black QB if they think he's the best available option to help them. unless they think that a white QB will be a better face for their franchise or whatever. but he's gotta be an excellent player first
johnny manziel destroyed college football. demolished it. russell wilson, like tom brady, struggled in college and got drafted low as a result. drew brees fell to the 2nd round because he was short. doug flutie fell to the ELEVENTH round because he was short. so that's obviously a "line" that is not just being used as an excuse to discriminate against black QBs
Hell, Dak Prescott who plays for one of the owners best known for taking care of his players and he can't secure a fair market long term deal, I wonder whats holding the Dallas Cowboys, only like the biggest money printing NFL team from backing up the brinks truck for their franchise QB, like almost every other team that has landed an above average QB has done in the last 15 years.
the new england patriots just refused to pay tom brady. dak prescott is not tom brady. why are the cowboys not making prescott the highest paid player in the league? business. they don't have to. they have the option of paying him less w/ the franchise tag, there's still question whether he's a truly elite QB, they have the leverage of knowing that the QB of the cowboys stands to make more money from endorsements, and they're cap strapped due to paying huge money to their other black stars (including their talented doofus RB in an era when few teams are paying RBs big money)
dak will be the highest paid QB in the league in 2020
Not only has Dallas not agreed to terms with Dak, they in-fact went out and secured a QB(who just so happens to be white, go figure)
they drafted dak! dalton is likely only going to make $3 mil, which is very cheap for a proven starter
All the while their was a former MVP QB on the market, who plays a more similar style to Dak then Dalton, and at one point a young former #1 overall QB who threw 30TD's and over 5k yards last season, now look I 100% understand apprehension on Winston but as a back-up? For what the saints paid him? Even if Dallas had to double or triple the NO offer thats and infinitely better option then not signing Dak and bringing in Dalton
1) winston quite obviously took less with the hopes to be the starting QB in waiting in new orleans
2) you conveniently left out his ungodly interception totals last season
3) the most obvious point of all: andy dalton is not a threat to dak prescott. newton and winston could have been seen as potential long-term replacements for dak and would have exacerbated tensions
I want to eliminate race from the conversation of which player throws a football better but it is still clearly a sticking point in how professional football teams handle the position if you apply an ounce of scrutiny to the draft process
except that you yourself haven't applied an ounce of genuine scrutiny. here are the black QBs selected in the first round this century:
worth taking at their draft position:
murray (appears to be), jackson, mahomes, watson, bridgewater, RGIII, newton, vick
not worth taking:
haskins (appears not to be), manuel, freeman, russell, young, campbell, leftwich
that's nearly an even split. so it's not like the best black QB prospects are obviously outperforming their draft positions
the QB racism discussion was on the back-burner for many years. the reason that it SEEMS to be a thing again is because it just so happens that 3 black QBs over the course of 2 drafts in 2017 and 2018 have come on like gangbusters. none of them were surefire stars based on their college resumes
now, are teams taking fliers on more WHITE QB prospects than they should be? quite possibly. first round winners and losers from this century:
winners - wentz, luck, tannehill, stafford, ryan, flacco, cutler, rodgers, eli, rivers, big ben, palmer, pennington
losers - rosen, trubisky, lynch, bortles, manziel, weeden, locker, gabbert, ponder, bradford, tebow, quinn, leinart, losman, boller, grossman, carr, harrington, ramsey
13 winners, 19 losers. random variation is a possibility, but the likelihood is that there is a subtle subconscious tendency to draft white QB prospects too highly
the way Black QB's are criticized in the media...
this may well be true. starting w/ kaepernick