OT Bears 2019/20 season and beyond

[nomorezorro]

that foles trade....woof

[nomorezorro]

i didn't follow training camp reports super super close but i did not really get the sense that trubisky looked impressive. it was just, "neither qb is standing out," right?

[Chi town]

Big mistake. With our D Foles could take us to the promised land. Now our D will be deflated and exhausted after all the 3 and outs because Trubisky can’t call the right play for the coverage.

[Jcool0]

i didn't follow training camp reports super super close but i did not really get the sense that trubisky looked impressive. it was just, "neither qb is standing out," right?

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[dice]

i didn't follow training camp reports super super close but i did not really get the sense that trubisky looked impressive. it was just, "neither qb is standing out," right?

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/9/4/21423297/bears-training-camp-2020-mitch-trubisky-nick-foles-make-each-other-better-better-matt-nagy-ryan-pace

[dice]

Big mistake. With our D Foles could take us to the promised land. Now our D will be deflated and exhausted after all the 3 and outs because Trubisky can’t call the right play for the coverage.

bears were squarely in the middle of the pack in plays/time per possession last year

in a related note, PFF projects bears as 6th best defense heading into season, noting that lack of depth could be a major issue:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-rankings-ranking-all-32-defenses-ahead-of-the-2020-nfl-season

and while i'm at it i guess i'll throw in the offensive rankings (24th, but with the assumption that foles would be an upgrade):

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-rankings-ranking-all-32-offenses-ahead-of-the-2020-nfl-season?utm_source=cj&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=cjaff&cjevent=4a602f32ef3411ea834d02630a24060f

and just about anything else you can think of:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-player-team-rankings-2020

units

O-line 22nd
WR 20th
TE 26th
D-line 6th
LB 21st (no depth)
secondary 20th

basically issues everywhere except D-line/edge, which will have to absolutely terrorize opposing QBs

players

QB - foles 29
RB - no top 25
WR - robinson 11
TE - no top 15
OT - no top 25
IOL - whitehair 25

edge - mack 2
IDL - hicks 8
LB - trevathan 20, smith 25
safety - jackson 8
corners - fuller 23

[dougthonus]

Didn't like the Foles trade at the time, but now it looks ridiculously stupid if he isn't even a starter. That said, if Trubisky won the camp battle then no use throwing good money after bad and starting Foles anyway.

[2018C3]

I believe Trubisky will get the start for the first few games to give him one more chance to fail.

Around game three or four we will probably see Foles get the call. The reason I believe Trubisky gets the start, is if he fail's you could bring Foles in as a potential savior. If Foles beats out Trubisky in camp and later fails, The media coverage would be too harsh if you had to bring Trubisky back in as the starter.

I'm pretty confident Trubisky is the starter for at least the first few games, but he will be on a very short leash and if he wants to keep his job he better get at least two wins early on.

If I'm right and they do start him, they better let him take off and run down field whenever he wants, as it one thing he is actually pretty decent at. I still think there is a small chance he needs this freedom to be able to have any chance of being successful.

I also want to see key guys playing significant minutes in pre-season, and fighting to earn spots. (minus Khalil Mack, and possibly a few others). The pre-season plan last season failed, it can not be attacked the same way.

I called it several months back when this was a un-popular choice., It just makes the most sense.

[molepharmer]

Doesn't matter who the QB is if there's no running threat and the O-line can't protect. If the reports out of camp have any credibility the TE targets may double this year from last year. Fingers crossed that's a good thing for the QB and this offense.

[Susan]

This is going to be a long, weird season. If Trubisky steps up and takes the starting QB role and never lets it go, great.

Foles as insurance is fine by me. If the Bears are winning, I literally don't give a **** about them paying a 3rd for Foles.

Should win against Detroit and the Giants.

[MalagaBulls]

Bears sign vet DE Mario Edwards, I like it.

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[Chi town]

This is going to be a long, weird season. If Trubisky steps up and takes the starting QB role and never lets it go, great.

Foles as insurance is fine by me. If the Bears are winning, I literally don't give a **** about them paying a 3rd for Foles.

Should win against Detroit and the Giants.

Mitch will be given a short leash. If he has improved wit this defense we will be really good and contend. If not he gets benched and Foles will get us there. I don't believe for one second that Mitch is better than Foles or has improved enough to be better than Foles. I hope I'm wrong though. I think the TE and running game may take so much pressure off of him and now that we have speed on the outside that the game could be so much easier he may good enough... not that he's improved dramatically.

If Mitch shows up then he gets resigned for cheap. Great. If he doesn't he will be benched and released and Foles will lead us.

Will be fun to watch. What I think happens is the offense will way better due to running TE and speed. We will win alot but then in the games against the best teams Mitch will whither and take the bench for Foles.

[Jeffster81]

Didn't like the Foles trade at the time, but now it looks ridiculously stupid if he isn't even a starter. That said, if Trubisky won the camp battle then no use throwing good money after bad and starting Foles anyway.

I don't think Trubisky won the battle as much as it was Foles not doing enough to take the job away from Trubisky. Either way, it's bad news for the Bears as I don't think Trubisky actually improved. If the Bears thought he was the future, they would have picked up his option. As is, 2020 should be Trubisky last year in Chicago and as a starting QB in the NFL.

[Chi town]

Good read. What Mitch needs to do.

https://dabearsblog.com/

[Payt10]

I kind of figured Trubisky would get the nod over Foles, given the unique circumstances of the off-season. I think by default you have to go with familiarity over the guy who's never played for you before, unless that guy reallllllly showed out in training camp—which it didn't sound like he did.

That being said, the best thing that can happen to the Bears right now is that Trubisky has a bounce back year, and they don't need Nick Foles to come in to save the season. Do I think that is likely? No. But he was the #2 overall pick, and it'd be great to know that he wasn't a total bust...

He should be given an incredibly short leash. If they start out 0-2, or he has 2 pretty bad performances, similar to the way he started off last year, then you have to make the switch. It's playoffs or everybody gets fired this year, in my opinion. No excuses.

[nitetrain8603]

For Foles not to start, it's just another example of awful asset and cap management by Ryan Pace. Guy gives up picks like candy corn at Halloween. He's not that great at drafting top round talent and the money owed to Foles is a ton. I stated when the move happened, they just wanted a QB who they could sell as "Look, we brought in a vet to have a QB competition and Mitch won it", but Foles just wasn't going to start at all. You could've sign any other QB out there this offseason and end up in a better spot. Cam for the min, Jameis, hell I hate Josh Rosen, but I rather take a chance on him. I think he actually would do great with a coach like Nagy.

[Mbrahv0528]

Doesn't matter who the QB is if there's no running threat and the O-line can't protect. If the reports out of camp have any credibility the TE targets may double this year from last year. Fingers crossed that's a good thing for the QB and this offense.

I'm pretty sure Montgomery is a running threat?

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[molepharmer]

Doesn't matter who the QB is if there's no running threat and the O-line can't protect. If the reports out of camp have any credibility the TE targets may double this year from last year. Fingers crossed that's a good thing for the QB and this offense.

I'm pretty sure Montgomery is a running threat?

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I like Montgomery and hope his groin(?) pull doesn't hold him back. My comment was more about Nagy's disdain for the running game, even against lesser run defenses.

[Jcool0]

Good read. What Mitch needs to do.

https://dabearsblog.com/

Let me see...

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Fun discussions from a few months ago on the Foles Stans saying what they paid for Foles guarantees Foles will be the starter.

I have no skin in the debate but Dice is right and Bull-e is wrong. Both of you are really digging in here when it's clear no one is even slightly interested in changing their stance.

I have no skin in the debate but Dice is right and Bull-e is wrong. Both of you are really digging in here when it's clear no one is even slightly interested in changing their stance.

I concur, Dice is most definitely on the right side of that specific debate. Paying Foles that kind of scratch to be the backup simply doesn't add up in reality.

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nagy inherited trubisky. nagy CHOSE foles. it's foles's job to lose

you get to gloat if trubisky is the starter in week one.

There is so much more, but I’ve spent too much time. Have a good one talking heads!!!