Showtime23 wrote:MikeDC wrote:Avdija is my least favorite prospect for several reasons:
If your going by dont draft bc hes not a good shooter then your literally going to pick unathletic McD every yr which is why the Bulls sucked. What the Bulls need is someone that can play multi-position and versatile enough it gives teams trouble due to height (imagine a 6-8 Ball against PGs or 6-9 Deni against SFs), ball handling, etc. The Bulls have none of them except a 30mil dollar injury plagued Porter. Denis not going to tear it up from yr 1 but other prospects literally suck so hard he is a solid tier 2 prospect.
Obis the better talent but he will be gone by 7 and the fit is so bad they will implode.
1. It’s the particular kind of poor shooting that’s a problem. I’d have no problem taking Hayes or Ball, for example, because those guys are better ft shooters and their low 3% is in the context of a lot more shots.
2. The Bulls have little talent and little offensive talent. They need to be drafting for talent instead of fit. I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that he can effectively play the 3 anyway.
3. So where does Deni rank in terms of talent? To me, there’s a top tier of guys you obviously take in Ball and Hayes. There’s a second tier of Wiseman, Edwards and Aleksej Pokusevski (obviously wouldn’t draft at 3-5 but you could trade down or acquire another pick for him) that are less sure but have flashed some really elite level tools. There’s a third tier of guys that are similar but with probably slightly less upside- RJ Hampton, Obi, Okongu, Vassell, Cole Anthony, Green, who have shown either more than role player kind of offense or high level defense with competent offense. These guys all also have pretty obvious NBA frames and athleticism.
Then there’s guys like Haliburton (small frame, terrible usage in a bad team) and Deni (poor shooting overall, questionable athleticism) who I look at as having real questions about whether they work out as core NBA players. I mean, everyone has questions but these guys have more questions that seem like serious ones.
Like, to make this concrete, I’m looking at Denis vs say, Josh Green. Green is 210lbs and has a 6’10” wingspan and looks generally quicker. So in the NBA, they can both play the 3.
Defensively Green is the more productive player.
Offensively he has a very well rounded game. Unlike Deni he’s a good shooter, but he looks like a guy who will be fast and athletic enough to take guys off the dribble and get to the line.
So, I look at these two guys, and I see a lot of reasons to think Green will be the better NBA player.