Markksman_24 wrote:dice wrote:Markksman_24 wrote:If they're both poor defenders, it makes sense to think that the one with the crazy efficient scoring night was better than the one who missed 57% of his shots. Hield was invisible save for the 3rd quarter.
and once again you're boiling a player's performance down to scoring
btw, hield outscored lavine 14-6 in the 4th prior to the intentional fouling of lavine in the closing seconds. that's "invisible"? are you quite sure you watched the game?
It was a typo, I meant 4th.
Regardless, I get what you're doing -- trying to make a grand point that there's much more to an individual's impact on a game than scoring, but doing so by baiting people into arguing with you by taking a very controversial position and defending it vehemently via frivolous semantics-based retorts and a bit of ad hominem. I've lurked here for a long time, I know it's your thing.
except that that's not what happened. i made my point quite directly and you consistently misrepresented it
and hield scored 8 in the 3rd quarter as well. still not "invisible." far from it
But this just isn't the game to make that point. If you can present any sort of justification for the claim that Hield outplayed LaVine tonight, be my guest. The hyper-efficiency LaVine displayed relative to Hield's costly method of scoring his points, however, would lead any meaningful algorithm to suggest that Hield would need to have played incredible defense in order for him to have outplayed LaVine, and that just didn't happen.
you left out rebounding, assists and turnovers
what's disingenuous is when people say stuff like "lavine scored 28 points on 13 shots", which is misleading because it ignores not only all the points he got at the line (which require shots that just happen to not be field goal attempts but still take up possessions), but also because 4 of those points were meaningless intentional foul shots in the closing seconds
in reality, lavine needed 18 possessions (2 of which were freebies at game's end) to score his points, while hield needed 24. lavine was much more efficient, though not to the extent being suggested
and i plainly said that it was ARGUABLE that hield outplayed him. while lavine was much more efficient, hield was significantly better down the stretch , had significantly more rebounds and a significantly better a:to ratio. both had the same +/-, which i don't put much stock in, but nor do i put much stock in the the fact that zach's team happened to outplay hield's team. so while zach clearly had the better night based on his team winning, that doesn't mean that he PLAYED better than hield
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