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PrimzyBulls81 wrote:https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/06/11/kenny-atkinson-is-on-chicago-bulls-radar-as-hc-candidate/

KissedByaRose1 wrote:Would be a great hire. If he’s the Knicks first choice I fear they will pay much higher than we’re willing to go and it’s hard seeing him pass up a big offer from them who will be desperate to improve fast. I think we’ll go the first time head coach route which I don’t hate I guess.

RaptorHusky wrote:

PrimzyBulls81 wrote:https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/06/11/kenny-atkinson-is-on-chicago-bulls-radar-as-hc-candidate/

Surprise, surprise. Why people think upfront that AK is dumb and will catch a HC without evaluating all available possibilities?

PrimzyBulls81 wrote:

RaptorHusky wrote:

PrimzyBulls81 wrote:https://pippenainteasy.com/2020/06/11/kenny-atkinson-is-on-chicago-bulls-radar-as-hc-candidate/

Surprise, surprise. Why people think upfront that AK is dumb and will catch a HC without evaluating all available possibilities?

Where did you catch that, that people think AK is dumb??? AK is pretty damn smart guy, its pretty known among NBA.

dougthonus wrote:Atkinson may be amazing, I don't know much about him.

His work with the Nets on a results basis is complete trash to me.
Year 1: Competing with tanking teams while not trying to tank.
Year 2: Competing with tanking teams while not trying to tank.
Year 3: Big improvement, gets to 42 wins, in an extremely weak east.
Year 4: Kicked out because star players don't respect him.

Now his roster quality sucked in year 1 and 2, so I don't ding him for that as "wow he's awful", but there shouldn't be any credit given to him either. Year 3 he had a good year, and people say he developed the talent, but talent development is mostly done by the assistants not the head coach. Year 4, he was removed because star players didn't respect him.

That's not a compelling set of outcomes. Effectively, one year in four could be considered a success, and we seem like we'd like to attract star players, so getting a coach that was removed due to stars not liking him seems like not in our best interest.

That said, I refer back to the first statement, I don't really know much about him (or any coaching candidate) and so many of those things may have been circumstances that were not reasonable or fair to gauge, but on the surface, Atkinson seems heavily overrated to me.

dougthonus wrote:Atkinson may be amazing, I don't know much about him.

His work with the Nets on a results basis is complete trash to me.
Year 1: Competing with tanking teams while not trying to tank.
Year 2: Competing with tanking teams while not trying to tank.
Year 3: Big improvement, gets to 42 wins, in an extremely weak east.
Year 4: Kicked out because star players don't respect him.

Now his roster quality sucked in year 1 and 2, so I don't ding him for that as "wow he's awful", but there shouldn't be any credit given to him either. Year 3 he had a good year, and people say he developed the talent, but talent development is mostly done by the assistants not the head coach. Year 4, he was removed because star players didn't respect him.

That's not a compelling set of outcomes. Effectively, one year in four could be considered a success, and we seem like we'd like to attract star players, so getting a coach that was removed due to stars not liking him seems like not in our best interest.

That said, I refer back to the first statement, I don't really know much about him (or any coaching candidate) and so many of those things may have been circumstances that were not reasonable or fair to gauge, but on the surface, Atkinson seems heavily overrated to me.

Little Nathan wrote:I think that whenever you say that the star pkayers didn't respect him in Brooklyn, you should have to add that we're talking about Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. Definitely two special (Is that a nice way to say it?) young men.

dougthonus wrote:

Little Nathan wrote:I think that whenever you say that the star pkayers didn't respect him in Brooklyn, you should have to add that we're talking about Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. Definitely two special (Is that a nice way to say it?) young men.

I agree there is something to that, though I don't remember Kyrie or Durant really having lots of blow ups (or any really) with coaches. Kawhi and LeBron have had more famous disagreements with coaches as far as I can remember. This seems to be a star problem to some extent, but they both turned on him immediately. I mean Durant didn't even play at all and Kyrie barely played for him, so I still find that to be a pretty huge negative that they took one look and said this guy isn't a championship caliber coach.

dougthonus wrote:

Little Nathan wrote:I think that whenever you say that the star pkayers didn't respect him in Brooklyn, you should have to add that we're talking about Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. Definitely two special (Is that a nice way to say it?) young men.

I agree there is something to that, though I don't remember Kyrie or Durant really having lots of blow ups (or any really) with coaches. Kawhi and LeBron have had more famous disagreements with coaches as far as I can remember. This seems to be a star problem to some extent, but they both turned on him immediately. I mean Durant didn't even play at all and Kyrie barely played for him, so I still find that to be a pretty huge negative that they took one look and said this guy isn't a championship caliber coach.

“Kenny’s my guy,” Spencer Dinwiddie said of his ex-Nets head coach. “He was great and like I told him in a text, I said, I needed to be able to be in a situation and an environment where I could make mistakes and that was critical to my development and he afford me that opportunity. Believing you’re a great player is one thing, but being able to go out there and not look over your shoulder and think that you’re gonna come out if you miss a shot or turn it over is paramount in anybody’s development, any NBA player. That was huge for me and I’ll always appreciate it.”

dougthonus wrote:Atkinson may be amazing, I don't know much about him.

His work with the Nets on a results basis is complete trash to me.
Year 1: Competing with tanking teams while not trying to tank.
Year 2: Competing with tanking teams while not trying to tank.
Year 3: Big improvement, gets to 42 wins, in an extremely weak east.
Year 4: Kicked out because star players don't respect him.

Now his roster quality sucked in year 1 and 2, so I don't ding him for that as "wow he's awful", but there shouldn't be any credit given to him either. Year 3 he had a good year, and people say he developed the talent, but talent development is mostly done by the assistants not the head coach. Year 4, he was removed because star players didn't respect him.

That's not a compelling set of outcomes. Effectively, one year in four could be considered a success, and we seem like we'd like to attract star players, so getting a coach that was removed due to stars not liking him seems like not in our best interest.

That said, I refer back to the first statement, I don't really know much about him (or any coaching candidate) and so many of those things may have been circumstances that were not reasonable or fair to gauge, but on the surface, Atkinson seems heavily overrated to me.

dougthonus wrote:

Little Nathan wrote:I think that whenever you say that the star pkayers didn't respect him in Brooklyn, you should have to add that we're talking about Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. Definitely two special (Is that a nice way to say it?) young men.

I agree there is something to that, though I don't remember Kyrie or Durant really having lots of blow ups (or any really) with coaches. Kawhi and LeBron have had more famous disagreements with coaches as far as I can remember. This seems to be a star problem to some extent, but they both turned on him immediately. I mean Durant didn't even play at all and Kyrie barely played for him, so I still find that to be a pretty huge negative that they took one look and said this guy isn't a championship caliber coach.

Mark K wrote:

dougthonus wrote:Atkinson may be amazing, I don't know much about him.

His work with the Nets on a results basis is complete trash to me.
Year 1: Competing with tanking teams while not trying to tank.
Year 2: Competing with tanking teams while not trying to tank.
Year 3: Big improvement, gets to 42 wins, in an extremely weak east.
Year 4: Kicked out because star players don't respect him.

Now his roster quality sucked in year 1 and 2, so I don't ding him for that as "wow he's awful", but there shouldn't be any credit given to him either. Year 3 he had a good year, and people say he developed the talent, but talent development is mostly done by the assistants not the head coach. Year 4, he was removed because star players didn't respect him.

That's not a compelling set of outcomes. Effectively, one year in four could be considered a success, and we seem like we'd like to attract star players, so getting a coach that was removed due to stars not liking him seems like not in our best interest.

That said, I refer back to the first statement, I don't really know much about him (or any coaching candidate) and so many of those things may have been circumstances that were not reasonable or fair to gauge, but on the surface, Atkinson seems heavily overrated to me.

He took the Nets from a terrible situation with no reasonable draft picks, developed those players enough to build a playoff program while instilling good basketball on both sides of the ball, so much so that it led to them landing Kyrie and Durant.

Atkinson is good and not overrated at all.