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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#21 » by PlayerUp » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:35 pm

DuckIII wrote:And then that far left nominee gets slaughtered in a general election because huge numbers of moderate democrats would not support the candidate (unless it was to unseat someone extreme like Trump).


This is what Michael Bloomberg said during the debates and he is completely correct.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#22 » by dougthonus » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:38 pm

DuckIII wrote:
dice wrote:phony face mask exemption cards being sold online:

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pretty well done...except that there's no such thing in government as the FTBA (freedom to breathe agency)


And except for the typos and poor grammar. It actually reads like it was written by a moron.

How does one wear “a face mask posses”?

First, are there face mask posses? If so, how does one wear a group of men on one’s face? Let alone plural posses? And by definition one cannot wear “a” face mask posses. It would just be the multiple posses on your face, even if you did find them and figure out how to wear them.


Fix the grammar and get rid of the FTBA thing and I'd bet you could get that to work in a lot of places. Hell, even not doing that and I bet this would work at a lot of places.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#23 » by Michael Jackson » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:02 pm

dougthonus wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
dice wrote:phony face mask exemption cards being sold online:

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pretty well done...except that there's no such thing in government as the FTBA (freedom to breathe agency)


And except for the typos and poor grammar. It actually reads like it was written by a moron.

How does one wear “a face mask posses”?

First, are there face mask posses? If so, how does one wear a group of men on one’s face? Let alone plural posses? And by definition one cannot wear “a” face mask posses. It would just be the multiple posses on your face, even if you did find them and figure out how to wear them.


Fix the grammar and get rid of the FTBA thing and I'd bet you could get that to work in a lot of places. Hell, even not doing that and I bet this would work at a lot of places.


It would totally work. My nephew used to always walk into theaters past the usher not paying with a beer in hand. They just let him go because it wasn't worth the trouble. Why would anyone making minimum wage put up a fight against this? I mean you might get one or two here and there that would dig in but most simply its not worth the extra trouble.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#24 » by Michael Jackson » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:06 pm

I had a 52 year old woman at Fresh Time tracking me and others down. Refusing to wear a mask and loudly giving speeches about being a patriot. It was crazy.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#25 » by Dresden » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:16 pm

DuckIII wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:The only saving grace here is that the Democrats have resisted the far left for at least 12 years now.


Far left is growing rapidly. Just need a strong candidate who supports the far left and they may take the democrat nominee. Just a matter of time.


And then that far left nominee gets slaughtered in a general election because huge numbers of moderate democrats would not support the candidate (unless it was to unseat someone extreme like Trump).


It depends on how broad their coalition is. Sanders polled better than Clinton v. Trump in 2016. And he was polling almost as well as Biden this time. A coalition of progressives, minorities, and working class is a pretty powerful voting bloc.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#26 » by musiqsoulchild » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:22 pm

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DuckIII wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
Far left is growing rapidly. Just need a strong candidate who supports the far left and they may take the democrat nominee. Just a matter of time.


And then that far left nominee gets slaughtered in a general election because huge numbers of moderate democrats would not support the candidate (unless it was to unseat someone extreme like Trump).


It depends on how broad their coalition is. Sanders polled better than Clinton v. Trump in 2016. And he was polling almost as well as Biden this time. A coalition of progressives, minorities, and working class is a pretty powerful voting bloc.


In time maybe.

But Black voters are not voting with the Bernie side of the party now.

At this point, Democrats remain firmly Center-Left.

Barack Son of Devil Hussein Kenya Born Black Panther Socialist Obama was also firmly Center Left.

He didn't touch gay marriage until the second term. And he was very tough on illegal immigration.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#27 » by Dresden » Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:30 pm

musiqsoulchild wrote:
Dresden wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
And then that far left nominee gets slaughtered in a general election because huge numbers of moderate democrats would not support the candidate (unless it was to unseat someone extreme like Trump).


It depends on how broad their coalition is. Sanders polled better than Clinton v. Trump in 2016. And he was polling almost as well as Biden this time. A coalition of progressives, minorities, and working class is a pretty powerful voting bloc.


In time maybe.

But Black voters are not voting with the Bernie side of the party now.

At this point, Democrats remain firmly Center-Left.

Barack Son of Devil Hussein Kenya Born Black Panther Socialist Obama was also firmly Center Left.

He didn't touch gay marriage until the second term. And he was very tough on illegal immigration.


My point is that they aren't that far away. If Bernie had more support among AA's, he would have crushed Biden. And the idea that a true progressive would get slaughtered in the general election is belied by the polls showing Bernie neck and neck with Biden in most polls done v. Trump.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#28 » by dice » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:43 pm

DuckIII wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:The only saving grace here is that the Democrats have resisted the far left for at least 12 years now.


Far left is growing rapidly. Just need a strong candidate who supports the far left and they may take the democrat nominee. Just a matter of time.


And then that far left nominee gets slaughtered in a general election because huge numbers of moderate democrats would not support the candidate (unless it was to unseat someone extreme like Trump).

bernie was polling better vs trump head-to-head than hillary was. but the right wing slime machine was never turned on him full blast
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#29 » by dice » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:47 pm

Michael Jackson wrote:I had a 52 year old woman at Fresh Time tracking me and others down. Refusing to wear a mask and loudly giving speeches about being a patriot. It was crazy.

was she telling you her precise age or something?

these people need to be informed loudly that they're on private property...and then arrested

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if i encounter someone like that, i'll be asking them why they're wearing clothes. repeatedly. until they either shut up, leave or give me an answer...at which point the conversation continues
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#30 » by dice » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:49 pm

Dresden wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:
Dresden wrote:
It depends on how broad their coalition is. Sanders polled better than Clinton v. Trump in 2016. And he was polling almost as well as Biden this time. A coalition of progressives, minorities, and working class is a pretty powerful voting bloc.


In time maybe.

But Black voters are not voting with the Bernie side of the party now.

At this point, Democrats remain firmly Center-Left.

Barack Son of Devil Hussein Kenya Born Black Panther Socialist Obama was also firmly Center Left.

He didn't touch gay marriage until the second term. And he was very tough on illegal immigration.


My point is that they aren't that far away. If Bernie had more support among AA's, he would have crushed Biden. And the idea that a true progressive would get slaughtered in the general election is belied by the polls showing Bernie neck and neck with Biden in most polls done v. Trump.

i don't think the end result would be markedly different with either one of them up against trump, but biden, like hillary, has been targeted by the right wing for decades. bernie has never gotten that level of treatment, but he sure would've as nominee
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#31 » by dice » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:41 pm

way to learn the lessons of NYC, florida

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meanwhile, the EU has officially decided that US visitors will not be permitted starting tomorrow. and fauci is saying that if things don't change we could go from 40K cases per day right now to 100K per day

only 50+ cases nationwide have been linked to protests, though that's certainly an undercount. some cities with large protests have seen case increases, some have not. regardless, these have obviously not turned out to be super spreader events. the national bureau of economic research studied protests in 315 cities and found no evidence linking them to case growth

strain of H1N1 is currently spreading in chinese farm workers

chinese company has developed a covid-19 vaccine with some efficacy. cleared for military use in china

over 100 cases have so far been linked to a single popular MSU restaurant over the course of 9 days, all under age 30. none have yet been hospitalized. 50% capacity limit, but...

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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#32 » by League Circles » Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:08 pm

I'd love to beat the ever living **** out of someone who uses one of those cards, ideally in front of their children. Sorry, that's how I feel.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#33 » by Dresden » Yesterday 12:56 am

Cases are rising dramatically, but hopefully we won't see a big spike in deaths as well since it's much more young people getting it, and hospitals are also better at treating it now.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#34 » by PlayerUp » Yesterday 10:59 am

Montana
Alaska
Hawaii

Only 3 states with less than 1000 cases over 5 month span here.
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Post#35 » by PlayerUp » Yesterday 11:06 am

dice wrote:chinese company has developed a covid-19 vaccine with some efficacy. cleared for military use in china


Wouldn't recommend using that chinese vaccine. Can't really trust China with anything these days. Wait until EU/US approved vaccines become available. Oral vaccines also in development - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/race-for-a-covid-19-vaccine-has-drug-makers-scaling-up-manufacturing-before-one-is-developed-2020-06-25
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#36 » by Michael Jackson » Yesterday 12:51 pm

dice wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:I had a 52 year old woman at Fresh Time tracking me and others down. Refusing to wear a mask and loudly giving speeches about being a patriot. It was crazy.

was she telling you her precise age or something?

these people need to be informed loudly that they're on private property...and then arrested

"no shirt, no shoes, no shorts, no shield, no service"

if i encounter someone like that, i'll be asking them why they're wearing clothes. repeatedly. until they either shut up, leave or give me an answer...at which point the conversation continues



Yes she is 52 and a chiropractor for both humans and dogs. Indeed she did tell me her precise age. She also suffered from an eating disorder for 18 years in her 20’s and 30’s. How’s that for TMI? On some level this should be shocking but I tend to attract these types all the time.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#37 » by musiqsoulchild » Yesterday 1:11 pm

PlayerUp wrote:Montana
Alaska
Hawaii

Only 3 states with less than 1000 cases over 5 month span here.


The obvious reason being Population Density.

Cities are impacted more because people are crammed together. This somehow informed Trump to make this an Us Vs. Them issue.
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Post#38 » by molepharmer » Yesterday 1:39 pm

dice wrote:....strain of H1N1 is currently spreading in chinese farm workers....

Is this swine G4 what you're referring to? because it does sound scary and the study has been published in PNAS.

Swine flu strain with human pandemic potential increasingly found in pigs in China
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From the article "...Ideally, Nelson says, we would produce a human G4 vaccine and have it in the stockpile, but that’s an involved process that requires substantial funding. “We need to be vigilant about other infectious disease threats even as COVID is going on because viruses have no interest in whether we’re already having another pandemic,” Nelson says.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#39 » by jmajew » Yesterday 1:46 pm

dice wrote:way to learn the lessons of NYC, florida

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Just going to say I believe that number is misleading. When the pandemic originally hit we were not testing nearly as many people as we are now. I remember when it was a milestone for the US to get to 100k a day. Now we are close to 500k a day. I strongly believe and so does the majority of the scientific community that our case counts were actually much higher in March, April, and May before testing got up to these levels. So yes, we are seeing another large spike according to the official numbers, but the true infection rate is still probably below where it was in those earlier months. Maybe I'm being naïve, but I look at that as a good thing. I always expected cases to go up in different regions/states at different times.

There is only one major thing I would like to see changed about our response to this pandemic. We need to make mask wearing a universal requirement in any public places. This needs to be made by the federal government. All the studies show if we do that our cases will drop significantly and could even allow us to eradicate the virus.
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Re: OT: COVID-19 thread #3 

Post#40 » by Ccwatercraft » Yesterday 3:55 pm

jmajew wrote:
Just going to say I believe that number is misleading. When the pandemic originally hit we were not testing nearly as many people as we are now. I remember when it was a milestone for the US to get to 100k a day. Now we are close to 500k a day. I strongly believe and so does the majority of the scientific community that our case counts were actually much higher in March, April, and May before testing got up to these levels. So yes, we are seeing another large spike according to the official numbers, but the true infection rate is still probably below where it was in those earlier months. Maybe I'm being naïve, but I look at that as a good thing. I always expected cases to go up in different regions/states at different times.

There is only one major thing I would like to see changed about our response to this pandemic. We need to make mask wearing a universal requirement in any public places. This needs to be made by the federal government. All the studies show if we do that our cases will drop significantly and could even allow us to eradicate the virus.


Yes, the positive aspect of it is is now we have people that now know to quarantine and re-test even if showing no symptoms. When this first started you have to have serious symptoms and in many cases early on the were even limiting tests to only those that were considered at risk due to the limited access to testing.

With hospitalization data still somewhat elusive its difficult at times to gauge the seriousness. I know locally were well under capacity at the hospitals but those figures tend to be a few days old and you really have to dig to figure out how many are there in the ICU because of covid-19 many are just there in the ICU for other reasons. A recent local news broadcast said we were at 70% capacity but I had to dig online to determine that the covid figures were only 17%. That should have been part of the news item.

Also perhaps being naive but for example way back when when they estimated a certain percentage of people in Los Angeles County to be positive extrapolating the numbers, now we have better data, but its not as scary was the numbers were when we primarily only tested severe cases like back when NY was dealing with a surge.

Still quite incomplete data but a significant improvement over april/may.

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