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Showtime23 wrote:

MrFortune3 wrote:Coby and Zach get way too much hatred on this board. Coby barely played starters minutes early on and he was in the role as a microwave scorer off the bench. Once he moved to the starting lineup he showed a lot of progress as a player.
He was never going to instantly come in and be a stud playmaker.

How do you not get hated? Then stop playing 1 on 1 like your on ymca and play team ball.
Involve others, let Lauri have his 20/10 and then have your way your turn.
Even Boylen knew White would be a disaster bc putting 2 microwave scorers is unprecedented in a NBA team.

2018C3 wrote:Taj Gibson got the same fan treatment here, because many including myself was sold on Blair.

Once Taj started earning minutes over the "Amazing James Johnson" who was picked earlier. This type of nonsense just opened up even more hate towards Taj. In his rookie year Taj also dealt with lots of doubt from the fan base.

Today there are few people left who still hate Taj, He has pretty much earned every fans respect. Once some time passes, I suspect Coby will too.

I wounder where Coby would go in this draft if he stayed another year in college?

MrFortune3 wrote:Coby and Zach get way too much hatred on this board. Coby barely played starters minutes early on and he was in the role as a microwave scorer off the bench. Once he moved to the starting lineup he showed a lot of progress as a player.
He was never going to instantly come in and be a stud playmaker.

JimmyButler21 wrote:

MrFortune3 wrote:Coby and Zach get way too much hatred on this board. Coby barely played starters minutes early on and he was in the role as a microwave scorer off the bench. Once he moved to the starting lineup he showed a lot of progress as a player.
He was never going to instantly come in and be a stud playmaker.

He started one game last year, the very last game

Showtime23 wrote:

MrFortune3 wrote:Coby and Zach get way too much hatred on this board. Coby barely played starters minutes early on and he was in the role as a microwave scorer off the bench. Once he moved to the starting lineup he showed a lot of progress as a player.
He was never going to instantly come in and be a stud playmaker.

How do you not get hated? Then stop playing 1 on 1 like your on ymca and play team ball.
Involve others, let Lauri have his 20/10 and then have your way your turn.
Even Boylen knew White would be a disaster bc putting 2 microwave scorers is unprecedented in a NBA team.

GimmeDat wrote:I have zero hate for Coby, he had a great rookie season. But the whole premise OP lays out about 'explosiveness' (whatever you quantify that as) over play-making is ridiculous.

Scoring ability is important. If you're a good scorer like Coby, you likely need the ball in your hands a lot. If you have the ball in your hands a lot, you need to be a smart decision maker/passer to translate it to a high level of team success. White's young and he can score for himself at a pretty good level (If I was wanting to be critical I'd point out the horrific .506 TS% but iirc his efficiency improved towards the back-end of the season so I'm not going to go in on him). Right now he has shown flashes of making good reads but largely does not create for others and is not a PG.

To compare a quality volume scorer like Coby to fringe-NBA talents like Rondo or Brunson... you're being disingenuous and you know it to compare All-Stars like Lillard, Kemba, etc.

Dion Waiters can score but is a liability. Wiggins can score, is definitely explosive, but is largely a liability. Jabari Parker was explosive and could score, but was a liability.

Guys like Lillard and Kemba are not 'playmaker' type PG's but they make the right reads.

I think most people on this board would agree that White had a really promising season, and he has been given a lot of credit -everyone has basically listed him as a highlight of the season. They've also discussed just where his role fits in to the scheme of things long term - a credit to his play given he's only a rookie.

So whose the group with the over the top, reactionary perspective, the above, or OP?

Dan Z wrote:I've head many people on this board say that Coby will never be a point guard and will only be a 6th man.

I get it, but why is he limited already? He's only 20 years old and didn't even get to play a full season. Plus our coaching staff was questionable at best.

What would this board have said about a rookie Kyle Lowry or Chauncey Billups?

Chi wrote:

GimmeDat wrote:I have zero hate for Coby, he had a great rookie season. But the whole premise OP lays out about 'explosiveness' (whatever you quantify that as) over play-making is ridiculous.

Scoring ability is important. If you're a good scorer like Coby, you likely need the ball in your hands a lot. If you have the ball in your hands a lot, you need to be a smart decision maker/passer to translate it to a high level of team success. White's young and he can score for himself at a pretty good level (If I was wanting to be critical I'd point out the horrific .506 TS% but iirc his efficiency improved towards the back-end of the season so I'm not going to go in on him). Right now he has shown flashes of making good reads but largely does not create for others and is not a PG.

To compare a quality volume scorer like Coby to fringe-NBA talents like Rondo or Brunson... you're being disingenuous and you know it to compare All-Stars like Lillard, Kemba, etc.

Dion Waiters can score but is a liability. Wiggins can score, is definitely explosive, but is largely a liability. Jabari Parker was explosive and could score, but was a liability.

Guys like Lillard and Kemba are not 'playmaker' type PG's but they make the right reads.

I think most people on this board would agree that White had a really promising season, and he has been given a lot of credit -everyone has basically listed him as a highlight of the season. They've also discussed just where his role fits in to the scheme of things long term - a credit to his play given he's only a rookie.

So whose the group with the over the top, reactionary perspective, the above, or OP?

Disingenuous? Those players are literally as good as it gets as far as modern day "pass first" distributing PG's. There are literally no Pass First Star PG's left in this league, Rubio is probably the Elite of the category. It just goes to show just how much more impactful Scoring/Shooting PG's are than the Distributors I see so many fans saying that they want their own PG to be.

I've even taken it as far as comparing Nate Robinson to Satoransky, both in the 6th man border line starter range. But are they really close in terms of which you would want on your team? 1 qualifies as "Explosive" offense, and the other as a "Distributor. The explosive offense guy Wins every time in the modern NBA. Even if he's not a great/good/decent or average playmaker.

Have you seen what Donavan Mitchell is currently doing playing some of his first moments at PG? That "Explosive" offensive display Looks (and Is) a lot better than what the Veteran distributor Conley has done in that position.

That's the only point I wanted to make. And as far as the people you mentioned who agree with me, who like and appreciate what Coby brings to the table.

I was never talking to you...

Showtime23 wrote:

Dan Z wrote:I've head many people on this board say that Coby will never be a point guard and will only be a 6th man.

I get it, but why is he limited already? He's only 20 years old and didn't even get to play a full season. Plus our coaching staff was questionable at best.

What would this board have said about a rookie Kyle Lowry or Chauncey Billups?

ok i give up. so now White is becoming Lowry when his bbiq is off the charts. I am not saying im not 100% of the time right but not even Masai is.
You can claim im giving up easily but usually 1st seasons are very important and I would rather get a refund on the number 7 pick asap rather than take risks with him in a team that has no system at all my turn your turn.

Same with Carter. There is no need to take risks on starter/6thman type players although they may blossom in other teams.
I will still not regret 1 bit bc Luka wouldnt be Luka here as opoosed to Dallas.

Chi town wrote:Gimme “ It's not so much that 'pass-1st PG's' are out of style, more-so that the evolution of basketball players has meant there are more capable on-ball players at a variety of positions, which means point guards are requiring a greater level of off-ball utility, and are asked to dominate the ball less.”

This is why I think Coby can be a PG.

WindyCityBorn wrote:I have no idea why so many people are writing off that White can be a competent PG as far as facilitation goes. He has literally only played the position for two years. He showed some really good vision and passing skills in flashes last season. No reason think a 20 year old is won't continue to improve. Most teams don't even use traditional PGs as starters any more so I'm hardly worried about whether he can dish out 10 assists a game.

Any player that can get his own shot is underappreciated here. Some of you love team full of Dengs and Korvers with non-scoring PG dishing 12 asts per game. And that team would go nowhere.

Showtime23 wrote:

Dan Z wrote:I've head many people on this board say that Coby will never be a point guard and will only be a 6th man.

I get it, but why is he limited already? He's only 20 years old and didn't even get to play a full season. Plus our coaching staff was questionable at best.

What would this board have said about a rookie Kyle Lowry or Chauncey Billups?

ok i give up. so now White is becoming Lowry when his bbiq is off the charts. I am not saying im not 100% of the time right but not even Masai is. What I am trying to say is play the probability and try to eliminate uncertainties when you evaluate a prospect.
You can claim im giving up easily but usually 1st seasons are very important and I would rather get a refund on the number 7 pick asap rather than take risks with him in a team that has no system at all my turn your turn.

Same with Carter. There is no need to take risks on starter/6thman type players although they may blossom in other teams.
I will still not regret 1 bit bc Luka wouldnt be Luka here as opoosed to Dallas.