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Post#381 » by StunnerKO » Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:00 pm

Doesn’t matter where Beal wanna go he’s locked up a few years , Wiz will do what’s best for them
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Post#382 » by Little Nathan » Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:13 pm

StunnerKO wrote:Doesn’t matter where Beal wanna go he’s locked up a few years , Wiz will do what’s best for them


So they're definitely not trading him for any pick in this draft then, I guess. And it does matter what he wants, obviously, because why would they trade him if he wants to stay? Especially for the first pick in a crappy draft.
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Post#383 » by sco » Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:58 pm

With Pringles and Morey out in Houston, and not that Hou would do this, but if they are rebuilding, Lavine, Porter, WCj +4 might get their attention.
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Post#384 » by TheStig » Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:01 pm

sco wrote:
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sco wrote:I look at it this way. I see Lavine as a #2 scoring option on a contending team, and the only trades I consider are package deals for a guy who can be a #1 option on a contender (which can be a pick, but it's hard for me to see that guy in this year's draft).

So here is the thing. Do you think Lavine is worth 30+ mill in 2 years? If you do, then keep him. I don't think we'll be a high level team and I don't think he quite is that guy. So for me, I'd move him. And the only guy with that type of talent to me is Edwards. So if you can get Edwards for Lavine, you do it. Because Edwards and the cap space is better than Lavine.

I see it this way. If Lavine is worth $30M because he improves a little (and that's all it will take for me to think he's worth that). If he doesn't, we're not on the hook and can use that money better elsewhere. I think the chances are much much better that Zach improves a little than Edwards (who has big question marks about his BBIQ and other parts of his game) becoming remotely as good as Zach.

If the Bulls like Edwards enough to trade for him, I'd trust them to make that deal.

But if he improves just a little, I don't think he's worth 30 mill. And that's likely a higher number too. Not to mention if he doesn't, then you've lost him for nothing.

If you're trading him for Edwards, you've got him locked in for 4 years at a below market rate.

And that last statement is the most important. I have to give this FO the opportunity to mold their team. They've got to do what they believe in.
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Post#385 » by PlayerUp » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:40 pm

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TheStig wrote:WC is no Hortford. Sorry to burst that bubble.

I think the new FO and coaches will have poured over all the tape of these guys and have made some key judgements on who is a keeper, who is a maybe and who they want to move. Between the tape and the workouts, I think they've got a pretty clear idea. If they can trade up to the number 1, one of the pieces will be on the move.


Didn't say he was but WC + Lavine is still too much value for a #1 in this draft. There isn't much difference drafting #1 or #8 in this draft. Better to instead move Lavine for lower picks you'd get more value back for the buck.

If you think Edwards is a star, then it's not too much value. To me, he seems like the only real fluid athlete who can create. But I'm not a college guy.

My point was I don't think WC is worth much at all. If the FO doesn't think Lavine is worth 30 mill a year that he'll get in 2 years. Then I think it's a good deal.


I have said that I think picks 1 through 7 in this draft could end up all busts and the picks 8 to 20 could be the real gems of the draft. This draft at the top is the weakest since 2013. If we dump Lavine for picks in this draft, it's acquiring later picks not the #1. Edwards has shown nothing to indicate he can become a star in this league with a question work ethic, defense, and shot. He'd go #6 or #7 in the 2018 draft, #4 in the 2019 draft.

I am fully supportive of dumping Lavine but not packaging Wendell just to move up to #1 for a guy who isn't even a Top 3 pick in other drafts. Now if AK thinks Edwards can become a star then go ahead but we both know it's very unlikely anybody sees Edwards as someone they know for sure can flip and become a star in the NBA.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#386 » by TheStig » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:57 pm

PlayerUp wrote:
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Didn't say he was but WC + Lavine is still too much value for a #1 in this draft. There isn't much difference drafting #1 or #8 in this draft. Better to instead move Lavine for lower picks you'd get more value back for the buck.

If you think Edwards is a star, then it's not too much value. To me, he seems like the only real fluid athlete who can create. But I'm not a college guy.

My point was I don't think WC is worth much at all. If the FO doesn't think Lavine is worth 30 mill a year that he'll get in 2 years. Then I think it's a good deal.


I have said that I think picks 1 through 7 in this draft could end up all busts and the picks 8 to 20 could be the real gems of the draft. This draft at the top is the weakest since 2013. If we dump Lavine for picks in this draft, it's acquiring later picks not the #1. Edwards has shown nothing to indicate he can become a star in this league with a question work ethic, defense, and shot. He'd go #6 or #7 in the 2018 draft, #4 in the 2019 draft.

I am fully supportive of dumping Lavine but not packaging Wendell just to move up to #1 for a guy who isn't even a Top 3 pick in other drafts. Now if AK thinks Edwards can become a star then go ahead but we both know it's very unlikely anybody sees Edwards as someone they know for sure can flip and become a star in the NBA.

I would wager that picks 1-7 make more allstar teams than picks 8-20. Otherwise GM's are doing a terrible job of drafting.
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Post#387 » by ZOMG » Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:21 am

TheStig wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
TheStig wrote:If you think Edwards is a star, then it's not too much value. To me, he seems like the only real fluid athlete who can create. But I'm not a college guy.

My point was I don't think WC is worth much at all. If the FO doesn't think Lavine is worth 30 mill a year that he'll get in 2 years. Then I think it's a good deal.


I have said that I think picks 1 through 7 in this draft could end up all busts and the picks 8 to 20 could be the real gems of the draft. This draft at the top is the weakest since 2013. If we dump Lavine for picks in this draft, it's acquiring later picks not the #1. Edwards has shown nothing to indicate he can become a star in this league with a question work ethic, defense, and shot. He'd go #6 or #7 in the 2018 draft, #4 in the 2019 draft.

I am fully supportive of dumping Lavine but not packaging Wendell just to move up to #1 for a guy who isn't even a Top 3 pick in other drafts. Now if AK thinks Edwards can become a star then go ahead but we both know it's very unlikely anybody sees Edwards as someone they know for sure can flip and become a star in the NBA.

I would wager that picks 1-7 make more allstar teams than picks 8-20. Otherwise GM's are doing a terrible job of drafting.


You always have to remember that there's a ton of outside factors in play when GM's make draft decisions. Among other things, they're trying to keep their own jobs in the long run - we're talking about millions of dollars here.

And sometimes, making the "obvious" pick is the safest bet in that regard. You might harbor serious doubts about a projected Top 5 guy, but you take him anyway. If he doesn't pan out, you can always cover your ass by saying "Hey, he looked like a sure thing to us and everybody else! These things happen".

Fanbases are sold hope all the time. And drafting high is an important part in that. It takes guts to trade away high picks or leave hyped-up dudes on the board. For a GM, it's a HUGE risk. See: Williamson, Zion. The red flags were always visible, but NO had no choice but to take him instead of Morant. Zion was just too popular.

Of course, had the New Orleans FO actually picked Morant at #1, they'd be celebrated as basketball masterminds these days. But they didn't have the cojones and ended up tying the fortunes of the team to a guy who might be physically unable to play NBA basketball in a few years.

I can't really blame them though. The pressure to conform to the (fickle) public opinion is enormous.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#388 » by PlayerUp » Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:48 am

TheStig wrote:I would wager that picks 1-7 make more allstar teams than picks 8-20. Otherwise GM's are doing a terrible job of drafting.


Well I mean Minnesota, Charlotte, New York, Detroit are all in the Top 8 all have histories of non stop drafting busts so won't be surprising. Either way 1-8 is not much different than 9-20. No clear star. Would rather move Lavine for down the road picks or work a trade to get 2 picks versus 1 in this draft.
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Post#389 » by CubbyBear2290 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:44 am

Hello, friends. Just had an idea that I was bouncing off of others in a Twitter chat I'm in. How would everyone feel about a deal for James Harden that looked like:

Rockets Receive:
Zach LaVine
Lauri Markkanen
Thaddeus Young
#4 Overall
'21 First Unprotected

Bulls Receive:
James Harden

I feel like it'd be a logical move for both sides. Factoring in you're no longer paying Zach, Young, and not having to extend Lauri I believe they'd have enough money in '21 to make a play for Giannis, PG, Kawhi, ETC.

Obviously we still need to know if the Rockets are blowing everything up. But, I feel as though this is a strong offer.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#390 » by TheStig » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:09 am

PlayerUp wrote:
TheStig wrote:I would wager that picks 1-7 make more allstar teams than picks 8-20. Otherwise GM's are doing a terrible job of drafting.


Well I mean Minnesota, Charlotte, New York, Detroit are all in the Top 8 all have histories of non stop drafting busts so won't be surprising. Either way 1-8 is not much different than 9-20. No clear star. Would rather move Lavine for down the road picks or work a trade to get 2 picks versus 1 in this draft.

I think Edwards is the star. He's not a Bron. But he can be a multiple time all star with his talent.
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Re: NBA Trade Thread #2 

Post#391 » by sco » Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:28 pm

CubbyBear2290 wrote:Hello, friends. Just had an idea that I was bouncing off of others in a Twitter chat I'm in. How would everyone feel about a deal for James Harden that looked like:

Rockets Receive:
Zach LaVine
Lauri Markkanen
Thaddeus Young
#4 Overall
'21 First Unprotected

Bulls Receive:
James Harden

I feel like it'd be a logical move for both sides. Factoring in you're no longer paying Zach, Young, and not having to extend Lauri I believe they'd have enough money in '21 to make a play for Giannis, PG, Kawhi, ETC.

Obviously we still need to know if the Rockets are blowing everything up. But, I feel as though this is a strong offer.

I was thinking about a similar deal, but would be hesitant to add next year's pick too. The problem with trading the kitchen sink for Harden, you have zero team around a 32 year old guy. Besides, I think Houston can do better for Harden, and I'd guess they'll try again under new regime before they flush their perennial MVP candidate.
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Post#392 » by gobullschi » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:16 pm

AK talks about building a sustainable team. Can’t see him trading half the team for a 32 year old.
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Post#393 » by Chi town » Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:46 pm

I can’t watch Harden. Unbearable.

I do think AK and Billy will make a big trade before the deadline next season though. Probably even earlier. A trade that puts us in the playoffs.
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Post#394 » by Cardinalsfan27 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:37 pm

CubbyBear2290 wrote:Hello, friends. Just had an idea that I was bouncing off of others in a Twitter chat I'm in. How would everyone feel about a deal for James Harden that looked like:

Rockets Receive:
Zach LaVine
Lauri Markkanen
Thaddeus Young
#4 Overall
'21 First Unprotected

Bulls Receive:
James Harden

I feel like it'd be a logical move for both sides. Factoring in you're no longer paying Zach, Young, and not having to extend Lauri I believe they'd have enough money in '21 to make a play for Giannis, PG, Kawhi, ETC.

Obviously we still need to know if the Rockets are blowing everything up. But, I feel as though this is a strong offer.


No thanks. Pass on Harden.
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Post#395 » by PrimzyBulls81 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:51 pm

Trading Lavine for any top pick in this poor draft is plain stupid. Lavine is established player and we shouldnt count on any player in this draft to be possible game changer. Some maybe suprise, but thats too big risk.
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Post#396 » by ImSlower » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:52 pm

I loathe Hardenball. Even without my paltry viewership, that team would be atrocious. He ain't winning squat at his agre regression stage with a skeleton team around him. That sounds like the surest way to ruin AK and Donovan's tenure that comes to mind. I'm not sure there is a star in the league I'd be less happy to throw in the dice with.
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Post#397 » by dpucane » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:53 pm

CubbyBear2290 wrote:Hello, friends. Just had an idea that I was bouncing off of others in a Twitter chat I'm in. How would everyone feel about a deal for James Harden that looked like:

Rockets Receive:
Zach LaVine
Lauri Markkanen
Thaddeus Young
#4 Overall
'21 First Unprotected

Bulls Receive:
James Harden

I feel like it'd be a logical move for both sides. Factoring in you're no longer paying Zach, Young, and not having to extend Lauri I believe they'd have enough money in '21 to make a play for Giannis, PG, Kawhi, ETC.

Obviously we still need to know if the Rockets are blowing everything up. But, I feel as though this is a strong offer.
It's too late and too complicated to build a team around Harden.

Harden either walks or gets traded to a team that's already set up.

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Post#398 » by ChettheJet » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:09 pm

I would wait to see who the Clippers bring in as coach and if they decide to deal. If they do exit interviews and enough players think Kawhi got special treatment and the new coach says he won't cater to the star, they can trade all the unhappy players or the star. It happens, teams make a stand even if it's dumb. That's the guy I'd give up the big boatload from the OP to get. Except you can't trade picks in consecutive years

End up with Leonard, White, Carter, Gafford, Porter for a year, maybe you put up with Satoransky Hutchison and Kornet maybe keep Valentine for a year. You have a little discussion and say as soon as any of you guys can carry the team on your backs you can complain about special treatment but until then you're expendable. Go to 2021 with your draft picks, some cap space and see how you can fill in
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Post#399 » by StunnerKO » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:46 pm

Harden one of the easiest players to build around and I blame part of the way he plays to Dantoni
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Post#400 » by gobullschi » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:18 pm

PlayerUp wrote:
TheStig wrote:
PlayerUp wrote:
Didn't say he was but WC + Lavine is still too much value for a #1 in this draft. There isn't much difference drafting #1 or #8 in this draft. Better to instead move Lavine for lower picks you'd get more value back for the buck.

If you think Edwards is a star, then it's not too much value. To me, he seems like the only real fluid athlete who can create. But I'm not a college guy.

My point was I don't think WC is worth much at all. If the FO doesn't think Lavine is worth 30 mill a year that he'll get in 2 years. Then I think it's a good deal.


I have said that I think picks 1 through 7 in this draft could end up all busts and the picks 8 to 20 could be the real gems of the draft. This draft at the top is the weakest since 2013. If we dump Lavine for picks in this draft, it's acquiring later picks not the #1. Edwards has shown nothing to indicate he can become a star in this league with a question work ethic, defense, and shot. He'd go #6 or #7 in the 2018 draft, #4 in the 2019 draft.

I am fully supportive of dumping Lavine but not packaging Wendell just to move up to #1 for a guy who isn't even a Top 3 pick in other drafts. Now if AK thinks Edwards can become a star then go ahead but we both know it's very unlikely anybody sees Edwards as someone they know for sure can flip and become a star in the NBA.


Don’t agree with any of this. Oof.

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