Re: NBA Trade Thread #2
Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:00 pm
Doesn’t matter where Beal wanna go he’s locked up a few years , Wiz will do what’s best for them
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StunnerKO wrote:Doesn’t matter where Beal wanna go he’s locked up a few years , Wiz will do what’s best for them
sco wrote:TheStig wrote:sco wrote:I look at it this way. I see Lavine as a #2 scoring option on a contending team, and the only trades I consider are package deals for a guy who can be a #1 option on a contender (which can be a pick, but it's hard for me to see that guy in this year's draft).
So here is the thing. Do you think Lavine is worth 30+ mill in 2 years? If you do, then keep him. I don't think we'll be a high level team and I don't think he quite is that guy. So for me, I'd move him. And the only guy with that type of talent to me is Edwards. So if you can get Edwards for Lavine, you do it. Because Edwards and the cap space is better than Lavine.
I see it this way. If Lavine is worth $30M because he improves a little (and that's all it will take for me to think he's worth that). If he doesn't, we're not on the hook and can use that money better elsewhere. I think the chances are much much better that Zach improves a little than Edwards (who has big question marks about his BBIQ and other parts of his game) becoming remotely as good as Zach.
If the Bulls like Edwards enough to trade for him, I'd trust them to make that deal.
TheStig wrote:PlayerUp wrote:TheStig wrote:WC is no Hortford. Sorry to burst that bubble.
I think the new FO and coaches will have poured over all the tape of these guys and have made some key judgements on who is a keeper, who is a maybe and who they want to move. Between the tape and the workouts, I think they've got a pretty clear idea. If they can trade up to the number 1, one of the pieces will be on the move.
Didn't say he was but WC + Lavine is still too much value for a #1 in this draft. There isn't much difference drafting #1 or #8 in this draft. Better to instead move Lavine for lower picks you'd get more value back for the buck.
If you think Edwards is a star, then it's not too much value. To me, he seems like the only real fluid athlete who can create. But I'm not a college guy.
My point was I don't think WC is worth much at all. If the FO doesn't think Lavine is worth 30 mill a year that he'll get in 2 years. Then I think it's a good deal.
PlayerUp wrote:TheStig wrote:PlayerUp wrote:
Didn't say he was but WC + Lavine is still too much value for a #1 in this draft. There isn't much difference drafting #1 or #8 in this draft. Better to instead move Lavine for lower picks you'd get more value back for the buck.
If you think Edwards is a star, then it's not too much value. To me, he seems like the only real fluid athlete who can create. But I'm not a college guy.
My point was I don't think WC is worth much at all. If the FO doesn't think Lavine is worth 30 mill a year that he'll get in 2 years. Then I think it's a good deal.
I have said that I think picks 1 through 7 in this draft could end up all busts and the picks 8 to 20 could be the real gems of the draft. This draft at the top is the weakest since 2013. If we dump Lavine for picks in this draft, it's acquiring later picks not the #1. Edwards has shown nothing to indicate he can become a star in this league with a question work ethic, defense, and shot. He'd go #6 or #7 in the 2018 draft, #4 in the 2019 draft.
I am fully supportive of dumping Lavine but not packaging Wendell just to move up to #1 for a guy who isn't even a Top 3 pick in other drafts. Now if AK thinks Edwards can become a star then go ahead but we both know it's very unlikely anybody sees Edwards as someone they know for sure can flip and become a star in the NBA.
TheStig wrote:PlayerUp wrote:TheStig wrote:If you think Edwards is a star, then it's not too much value. To me, he seems like the only real fluid athlete who can create. But I'm not a college guy.
My point was I don't think WC is worth much at all. If the FO doesn't think Lavine is worth 30 mill a year that he'll get in 2 years. Then I think it's a good deal.
I have said that I think picks 1 through 7 in this draft could end up all busts and the picks 8 to 20 could be the real gems of the draft. This draft at the top is the weakest since 2013. If we dump Lavine for picks in this draft, it's acquiring later picks not the #1. Edwards has shown nothing to indicate he can become a star in this league with a question work ethic, defense, and shot. He'd go #6 or #7 in the 2018 draft, #4 in the 2019 draft.
I am fully supportive of dumping Lavine but not packaging Wendell just to move up to #1 for a guy who isn't even a Top 3 pick in other drafts. Now if AK thinks Edwards can become a star then go ahead but we both know it's very unlikely anybody sees Edwards as someone they know for sure can flip and become a star in the NBA.
I would wager that picks 1-7 make more allstar teams than picks 8-20. Otherwise GM's are doing a terrible job of drafting.
TheStig wrote:I would wager that picks 1-7 make more allstar teams than picks 8-20. Otherwise GM's are doing a terrible job of drafting.
PlayerUp wrote:TheStig wrote:I would wager that picks 1-7 make more allstar teams than picks 8-20. Otherwise GM's are doing a terrible job of drafting.
Well I mean Minnesota, Charlotte, New York, Detroit are all in the Top 8 all have histories of non stop drafting busts so won't be surprising. Either way 1-8 is not much different than 9-20. No clear star. Would rather move Lavine for down the road picks or work a trade to get 2 picks versus 1 in this draft.
CubbyBear2290 wrote:Hello, friends. Just had an idea that I was bouncing off of others in a Twitter chat I'm in. How would everyone feel about a deal for James Harden that looked like:
Rockets Receive:
Zach LaVine
Lauri Markkanen
Thaddeus Young
#4 Overall
'21 First Unprotected
Bulls Receive:
James Harden
I feel like it'd be a logical move for both sides. Factoring in you're no longer paying Zach, Young, and not having to extend Lauri I believe they'd have enough money in '21 to make a play for Giannis, PG, Kawhi, ETC.
Obviously we still need to know if the Rockets are blowing everything up. But, I feel as though this is a strong offer.
CubbyBear2290 wrote:Hello, friends. Just had an idea that I was bouncing off of others in a Twitter chat I'm in. How would everyone feel about a deal for James Harden that looked like:
Rockets Receive:
Zach LaVine
Lauri Markkanen
Thaddeus Young
#4 Overall
'21 First Unprotected
Bulls Receive:
James Harden
I feel like it'd be a logical move for both sides. Factoring in you're no longer paying Zach, Young, and not having to extend Lauri I believe they'd have enough money in '21 to make a play for Giannis, PG, Kawhi, ETC.
Obviously we still need to know if the Rockets are blowing everything up. But, I feel as though this is a strong offer.
It's too late and too complicated to build a team around Harden.CubbyBear2290 wrote:Hello, friends. Just had an idea that I was bouncing off of others in a Twitter chat I'm in. How would everyone feel about a deal for James Harden that looked like:
Rockets Receive:
Zach LaVine
Lauri Markkanen
Thaddeus Young
#4 Overall
'21 First Unprotected
Bulls Receive:
James Harden
I feel like it'd be a logical move for both sides. Factoring in you're no longer paying Zach, Young, and not having to extend Lauri I believe they'd have enough money in '21 to make a play for Giannis, PG, Kawhi, ETC.
Obviously we still need to know if the Rockets are blowing everything up. But, I feel as though this is a strong offer.
PlayerUp wrote:TheStig wrote:PlayerUp wrote:
Didn't say he was but WC + Lavine is still too much value for a #1 in this draft. There isn't much difference drafting #1 or #8 in this draft. Better to instead move Lavine for lower picks you'd get more value back for the buck.
If you think Edwards is a star, then it's not too much value. To me, he seems like the only real fluid athlete who can create. But I'm not a college guy.
My point was I don't think WC is worth much at all. If the FO doesn't think Lavine is worth 30 mill a year that he'll get in 2 years. Then I think it's a good deal.
I have said that I think picks 1 through 7 in this draft could end up all busts and the picks 8 to 20 could be the real gems of the draft. This draft at the top is the weakest since 2013. If we dump Lavine for picks in this draft, it's acquiring later picks not the #1. Edwards has shown nothing to indicate he can become a star in this league with a question work ethic, defense, and shot. He'd go #6 or #7 in the 2018 draft, #4 in the 2019 draft.
I am fully supportive of dumping Lavine but not packaging Wendell just to move up to #1 for a guy who isn't even a Top 3 pick in other drafts. Now if AK thinks Edwards can become a star then go ahead but we both know it's very unlikely anybody sees Edwards as someone they know for sure can flip and become a star in the NBA.