2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

[Portiseyes]

Still excited about Hayes, great prospect and great fit. Trying not to overthink it. This is a guard draft, so go guard. Next year is a wing draft.

I think a lot of the Deni hype, which also seems inexplicably tied to finding the ‘next Luka,’ is related to the big lack in star upside wings in this draft.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d guess a couple wings in this draft will have good careers. Would love to get a 10th pick and grab Nesmith... there are somewhat more complete wings this year but I’d gamble on the elite shooter.

[wonderboy2]

I like WCJ a lot. But at either SF or C/PF you're going to need another person who can help set the table on defense. Zach, Coby and Lauri are not exactly great on defense. The team defense will improve as the new coach comes in and puts his system in place.

Honestly I would say Coby is above average as a defender which is good considering he was a rookie. I remember he put the clamps on Devante Graham. Lavine on ball defense is good. Luari is a mystery to me because he actually did a good job defending the perimeter his first 2 years but fell off big time last season.

I'm not saying they are terrible defenders, I'm saying that you need someone else who can defend well and help set the tone in that starting lineup.
That's why I am extremely high on Deni and Wiseman. I think those 2 provide the most potential defensive and play making impact that the Bulls can land at #4.

I’ve seen Wiseman workout. My goodness who ever passes on that guy will regret it. He actually looked quite skilled. Ball handling and agility looked great for someone his height. His jumper actually looked better than I thought it would.

[PlayerUp]

Even freaking Simmons/Horford/Embiid doesn't work. Davis/Cousins didn't really even work. Wasting a #7, #7, and then a #4 pick on three straight low-skill center prospects is absolutely idiotic. You're basically trying to turn yourselves into the homeless man's Sixers.

This is exactly correct.

Dynamic scorers, playmakers, creators, shooters are vital to any championship team in this modern NBA. We already have undeveloped bigman. It's time to start focusing on loading up our backcourt.

[PlayerUp]

I’ve seen Wiseman workout. My goodness who ever passes on that guy will regret it. He actually looked quite skilled. Ball handling and agility looked great for someone his height. His jumper actually looked better than I thought it would.

I hope you're right so that Wiseman is picked in the Top 3 and we don't need to worry about him.

Bamba has amazing workout videos as well as people pointed out yesterday. Send this amazing workout clip and let us know specifically makes him standout as the next big thing.

[Rose2Boozer]

I think the Warriors are trolling the league. You don't leave this premium clay on the board in favor of low ceiling perimeter prospects. This kid reminds me of Bam Adebayo.

Watch on YouTube

[PlayerUp]

Would love to get a 10th pick and grab Nesmith... there are somewhat more complete wings this year but I’d gamble on the elite shooter.

Nesmith would be a bad pickup at #10 with other prospects on the board.

Tony Snell shot 39% from 3 in college final season.
Erik Murphy shot 45.3% from 3 in college final season
Lauri Markkanen shot 42.3% from 3 in college freshman season.
Denzel Valentine shot 44.4% from 3 in college final season.
Doug McDermott shot 45.8% from 3 in college.

While the jury is still out on Lauri, the problem with all these picks by Gar/Pax is they drafted players primarily based on shooting rather than focusing on other key elements like being athletic, poor defensive instincts, having a high motor, quick, high IQ etc. Nesmith has many flaws in his game similar to these prospects above.

[Just_Bullz]

Really don't need a Wiseman on this team. A hard pass please.

The game evolves, it's no longer a big man's league. Embiid, KAT, Cousins, even AD can't bring their team far enough in the playoffs when they are the focal point.

[MrFortune3]

Honestly I would say Coby is above average as a defender which is good considering he was a rookie. I remember he put the clamps on Devante Graham. Lavine on ball defense is good. Luari is a mystery to me because he actually did a good job defending the perimeter his first 2 years but fell off big time last season.

I'm not saying they are terrible defenders, I'm saying that you need someone else who can defend well and help set the tone in that starting lineup.
That's why I am extremely high on Deni and Wiseman. I think those 2 provide the most potential defensive and play making impact that the Bulls can land at #4.

I’ve seen Wiseman workout. My goodness who ever passes on that guy will regret it. He actually looked quite skilled. Ball handling and agility looked great for someone his height. His jumper actually looked better than I thought it would.

He was a smaller player before he blew up on the national scene. Which seems silly to say since he has been on the NBA radar since age 16.

[MrFortune3]

Really don't need a Wiseman on this team. A hard pass please.

The game evolves, it's no longer a big man's league. Embiid, KAT, Cousins, even AD can't bring their team far enough in the playoffs when they are the focal point.

AD and Cousins had very little help when they were on their own respective teams. KAT is lazy as **** and Embiid is on the worst balanced roster in the NBA.

[Jvaughn]

I think the Warriors are trolling the league. You don't leave this premium clay on the board in favor of low ceiling perimeter prospects. This kid reminds me of Bam Adebayo.

Spoiler:

Watch on YouTube

If you're looking for the next Bam, I'd say Onyeka would be the prospect closer to that projection.

[sco]

Really don't need a Wiseman on this team. A hard pass please.

The game evolves, it's no longer a big man's league. Embiid, KAT, Cousins, even AD can't bring their team far enough in the playoffs when they are the focal point.

IMO Wiseman can be evaluated based on workouts...if AK loves him, I'm game. It's not like there's an obvious MJ that we'd otherwise take.

[PlayerUp]

IMO Wiseman can be evaluated based on workouts...if AK loves him, I'm game. It's not like there's an obvious MJ that we'd otherwise take.

I agree with this but this should also apply for Onyeka Okongwu, Killian Hayes, Isaac Okoro, Patrick Williams, Cole Anthony, RJ Hampton, Poku, Jaden McDaniels and a couple others are just some prospects. All of these prospects havent played in 5.5+ months and have the most room to improve.

[JohnnyTapwater]

Would love to get a 10th pick and grab Nesmith... there are somewhat more complete wings this year but I’d gamble on the elite shooter.

Nesmith would be a bad pickup at #10 with other prospects on the board.

Tony Snell shot 39% from 3 in college final season.
Erik Murphy shot 45.3% from 3 in college final season
Lauri Markkanen shot 42.3% from 3 in college freshman season.
Denzel Valentine shot 44.4% from 3 in college final season.
Doug McDermott shot 45.8% from 3 in college.

While the jury is still out on Lauri, the problem with all these picks by Gar/Pax is they drafted players primarily based on shooting rather than focusing on other key elements like being athletic, poor defensive instincts, having a high motor, quick, high IQ etc. Nesmith has many flaws in his game similar to these prospects above.

remember the 3 point line was closer in those seasons.

This season it was moved back for Nesmith.

He looks like Kris Middleton more and more to me.

[23-7]

If you draft wiseman you trade a player

[Chicagoat]

Nesmith seems like another Allen Crabbe to me. His 14 game shooting sample size is impressive and his high FT shooting percentage shows that his shooting can translate. But he is only a 3 point specialist(A damn good one at that) with nothing else to offer. Him being a sophomore too gives me mixed feelings.

His foot stress fracture concerns me and that could a long term issue.

[Just_Bullz]

Really don't need a Wiseman on this team. A hard pass please.

The game evolves, it's no longer a big man's league. Embiid, KAT, Cousins, even AD can't bring their team far enough in the playoffs when they are the focal point.

AD and Cousins had very little help when they were on their own respective teams. KAT is lazy as **** and Embiid is on the worst balanced roster in the NBA.

And as if Wiseman will be better off than them if he is in Chicago. Everyone has an excuse or reason for any misfortune they faced.

[gobullschi]

Would love to get a 10th pick and grab Nesmith... there are somewhat more complete wings this year but I’d gamble on the elite shooter.

Nesmith would be a bad pickup at #10 with other prospects on the board.

Tony Snell shot 39% from 3 in college final season.
Erik Murphy shot 45.3% from 3 in college final season
Lauri Markkanen shot 42.3% from 3 in college freshman season.
Denzel Valentine shot 44.4% from 3 in college final season.
Doug McDermott shot 45.8% from 3 in college.

While the jury is still out on Lauri, the problem with all these picks by Gar/Pax is they drafted players primarily based on shooting rather than focusing on other key elements like being athletic, poor defensive instincts, having a high motor, quick, high IQ etc. Nesmith has many flaws in his game similar to these prospects above.

remember the 3 point line was closer in those seasons.

This season it was moved back for Nesmith.

He looks like Kris Middleton more and more to me.

Saddiq Bey seems like a Kris Middleton clone.

Nesmith reminds me of Danny Green with a little more offensive creativity off the dribble.

[cjbulls]

I’ve seen Wiseman workout. My goodness who ever passes on that guy will regret it. He actually looked quite skilled. Ball handling and agility looked great for someone his height. His jumper actually looked better than I thought it would.

I hope you're right so that Wiseman is picked in the Top 3 and we don't need to worry about him.

Bamba has amazing workout videos as well as people pointed out yesterday. Send this amazing workout clip and let us know specifically makes him standout as the next big thing.

Wiseman produced more in his 3 games at Memphis than what Bamba did at Texas. He also had a known strength issue which has proved true in the NBA. Wiseman has no such issues

None of the other prospects have true standout qualities other than Ball’s passing and Edwards strength/athleticism combo. Wiseman’s size/strength/athleticism combo is standout, there a just a lot of unknowns with him and a current decline of positional importance.

The rest of the draft only have good qualities and/or a lot of projection.

[TheSuzerain]

I’ve seen Wiseman workout. My goodness who ever passes on that guy will regret it. He actually looked quite skilled. Ball handling and agility looked great for someone his height. His jumper actually looked better than I thought it would.

I hope you're right so that Wiseman is picked in the Top 3 and we don't need to worry about him.

Bamba has amazing workout videos as well as people pointed out yesterday. Send this amazing workout clip and let us know specifically makes him standout as the next big thing.

Wiseman produced more in his 3 games at Memphis than what Bamba did at Texas. He also had a known strength issue which has proved true in the NBA. Wiseman has no such issues

None of the other prospects have true standout qualities other than Ball’s passing and Edwards strength/athleticism combo. Wiseman’s size/strength/athleticism combo is standout, there a just a lot of unknowns with him and a current decline of positional importance.

The rest of the draft only have good qualities and/or a lot of projection.

Wiseman's athleticism isn't standout. He's fine, but he's a lesser athlete than someone like Mitchell Robinson who is truly explosive/bouncy as a 7-footer.

Wiseman's size/frame certainly is an outlier. He's gigantic. But that doesn't go as far as it used to these days where players can be too tall/big to defend.

Truth of it is that Okongwu has superior size/athleticism from a defensive perspective than Wiseman.

[gobullschi]

I hope you're right so that Wiseman is picked in the Top 3 and we don't need to worry about him.

Bamba has amazing workout videos as well as people pointed out yesterday. Send this amazing workout clip and let us know specifically makes him standout as the next big thing.

Wiseman produced more in his 3 games at Memphis than what Bamba did at Texas. He also had a known strength issue which has proved true in the NBA. Wiseman has no such issues

None of the other prospects have true standout qualities other than Ball’s passing and Edwards strength/athleticism combo. Wiseman’s size/strength/athleticism combo is standout, there a just a lot of unknowns with him and a current decline of positional importance.

The rest of the draft only have good qualities and/or a lot of projection.

Wiseman's athleticism isn't standout. He's fine, but he's a lesser athlete than someone like Mitchell Robinson who is truly explosive/bouncy as a 7-footer.

Wiseman's size/frame certainly is an outlier. He's gigantic. But that doesn't go as far as it used to these days where players can be too tall/big to defend.

Truth of it is that Okongwu has superior size/athleticism from a defensive perspective than Wiseman.

Agreed. Wiseman’s athleticism is being overhyped.

Centers need to be highly skilled if they’re going to be taken this high IMO. If he had elite passing skills or a deadly jumper it would be a different story. If he falls to #4, hopefully there is a team that wants to move up and the Bulls can collect more assets.