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I think the Bulls should go all in even for a 1percent chance bc acquiring him wouldnt make me regret getting rid of Butler. He is just more talented than Butler ever was.

I think you have the conversation with his agent. He knows what the Bulls can offer and he knows what he'll accept. The question is, does he think Chicago is where he would want to position his client badly enough to force NOP to let him go or force a S&T without gutting the Bulls roster to make it not worthwhile. It's not how bad the Bulls want him or what NOP think he's worth, it's how do both teams end up if he moves. It's never going to be an even swap but if Chicago is where he would want to go is it worth it to NOP to have an unhappy highly paid player.

MGB8 wrote:

dice wrote:

Hangtime84 wrote:I was for Bulter for Ingram and pick but yeah that ship sailed

isn't ingram just a modestly better version of lavine, though (less bad defensively)?

grass is always greener

I don't see the comp. LaVine assets are his superior foot speed, all-around athleticism, and handle combined with his natural shot, and his deficiencies are strength and defensive awareness (and sometimes offensive awareness).

Ingram's assets are his length / size and all around scoring ability and fairly good awareness on both ends - but lacks natural advantages in foot speed, athleticism, or a particularly advanced handle - just "good enough" in those facets.

I'm cool with Ingram or Lavine, but not both of them on the roster with the salary and pretty much being the same guy.
I think Zach is actually a slightly better defender and he wants to be here.

I'd rather stick with Zach I think.

MGB8 wrote:

dice wrote:

Hangtime84 wrote:I was for Bulter for Ingram and pick but yeah that ship sailed

isn't ingram just a modestly better version of lavine, though (less bad defensively)?

grass is always greener

I don't see the comp. LaVine assets are his superior foot speed, all-around athleticism, and handle combined with his natural shot, and his deficiencies are strength and defensive awareness (and sometimes offensive awareness).

Ingram's assets are his length / size and all around scoring ability and fairly good awareness on both ends - but lacks natural advantages in foot speed, athleticism, or a particularly advanced handle - just "good enough" in those facets.

i just mean that they're similar age and scoring prowess, w/ lavine a bit better as a passer and ingram better as a defender. similar caliber players

drosereturn wrote:I think the Bulls should go all in even for a 1percent chance bc acquiring him wouldnt make me regret getting rid of Butler. He is just more talented than Butler ever was.

you're severely overvaluing "talent." just like most of the teams that passed on jimmy in the draft were. and just like most people on this board were before jimmy started scoring 20 points a game

and signing ingram wouldn't erase the jimmy trade. it would just morph to a ingram/lauri/lavine vs ingram/butler conversation

drosereturn wrote:I think the Bulls should go all in even for a 1percent chance bc acquiring him wouldnt make me regret getting rid of Butler. He is just more talented than Butler ever was.

So are a lot of players, for example Zach LaVine. Being more talented than Butler is common. Being better than him is a trickier proposition.

missed the opportunity, should have gone after him before he turned into an all-star.