thedarkstark wrote:These are Nagy's guys, these guys are who he wanted, his scheme sucks, he's an awful coach.[
Pace got rid of a player he drafted, Jordan Howard 1 year removed from a 1,100 yard season because he didn't fit "the scheme" Nagy wanted a running back who could run all of his stupid gadget plays with. He brought in Nick Foles, Tyler Bray, Chase Daniel, Taylor Gabriel, David Montgomery, Trey Burton, Cordarelle Patterson because those were the guys Nagy asked for.
I'm not absolving Pace of any blame, he deserves an equal amount because again he hired Nagy and sat on his hands about the O-line, but you're crazy if you can't see this is EXACTLY the offense Nagy has wanted to run from day one, it just isn't good.
No idea whether this is Nagy or Pace or both in concert, but the talent is a big part of the problem. Nagy's scheme and style may also be a big part of the problem, but with the talent so low, I don't see how anyone could tell.
Pace has done a really good job of adding talent to the defensive side of the ball, this is unquestioned, no?
He's drafted/added the following:
Howard showed to be a productive player before Nagy.
Cohen already flashed as a rookie, did great in year 2 then regressed production wise in year three.
Montgomery has been hit repeatedly in the backfield, nobody truly knows what he is
Mike Davis was nothing here but a servicable player in Carolina after us and in Seattle before us
Shaheen was constantly injured but also thrown to the wayside by Nagy, Miami gave him a contract extension
Burton was cast aside and let go for nothing, he's proving to be a serviceable player for the Colts this season
Jimmy is proving to be a good red zone threat
Kmet has shown flashes but they haven't used him nearly enough
Arob is a franchise WR when healthy
Gabriel was serviceable
Mooney is a talent and an absolute steal in the 5th
Anthony Miller is inconsistent but was highly regarded coming out of college and has shown flashes
Kevin White just got destroyed by injuries
CPat has been a great KR for us and an overused gadget player
Trubisky showed flashes as a rookie, continued to grow in his second year and just fell off the face of the map following that
Foles "understood the system" and after scapegoating Trubisky we were sold that the offense would become alive under Foles, the opposite has happened
Glennon sucked and they only invested a year in him, whatever.
There's ZERO instances of Nagy building a player up IMO. He's had a very bad habit of trying to get players to play to "his system" rather than making his system play to his players strength. Scapegoating Mitch, basically discarding Howard, watching Cohen regress, not figuring out how to use Mike Davis, doghousing Shaheen and Burton and not scheming a single effective running attack in his three years here are all bad.
Dude seems to need HOF level players for his system to work. He's been bad at maximizing the talent that has given to him and has overstated his own genius.
Mitch is coming back, he's got more talent in him than Foles, hopefully Lazer can build the offense around Mitch's talent instead of trying to force Mitch to be something he's not right now. Ideal world: Mitch shows out, Bears go on a run, we franchise tag Mitch in the offseason and fire Nagy. More likely: Bears suck, Nagy gets fired, Mitch sucks and walks in the offseason and Pace is probably gone as well.