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Surprised doc got fired. But I don't feel any regret with Donovan. Still a home-run today.

I love Doc and probably would have slightly preferred him, but what can you do. Still happy with Donovan, and who knows if Doc would prefer us over teams like Houston or Philly.

Did Doc just resign?

HomoSapien wrote:I love Doc and probably would have slightly preferred him, but what can you do. Still happy with Donovan, and who knows if Doc would prefer us over teams like Houston or Philly.

Idk he is from Chicago so he may have a home in the area #callback

dougthonus wrote:

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:

Darius Miles Davis wrote:
He also has won an NBA championship as a head coach.

Yes he does.

Doc Rivers is so overrated.

Head coaches in general are overrated. People have significantly inflated expectations as to the impact of the head coach on the game and thus people whom are thought of highly often have negative backlash later for underperformance when it becomes clear their positive impact didn't carry over, but the big secret is that is true of pretty much everyone.

So in a nutshell, every coach people think is incredible is probably overrated IMO, but many of them never have it proven, and by overrated, I don't mean they're bad. Tehy're great. Still probably the best in the world at what they do. However the impact of the best coach in the world and the 30th best coach isn't so different. The best coach just typically has a better situation.

Part of what the Bulls are accomplishing with the hire of Karnishovas, Eversley, and co. is the improvement of their reputation around the league. Donovan seems to be well liked, but Rivers seems really beloved among the league's players. His hire might have helped even more with regards to free agency.

Rivers would have been my choice but you had no way of knowing he was going to resign. You had a great candidate appear, you can't wait two weeks and pretend you think somebody else will pop up. Asking for permission would have tipped the Bulls hand, asking through some back door would have been tampering. If information would have just floated into the Berto Center that would have been eerie.

Thank f*** we signed a coach before Rivers got fired, would've been fuming if we ended up with him.

dougthonus wrote:

Chicago-Bull-E wrote:

Darius Miles Davis wrote:
He also has won an NBA championship as a head coach.

Yes he does.

Doc Rivers is so overrated.

Head coaches in general are overrated. People have significantly inflated expectations as to the impact of the head coach on the game and thus people whom are thought of highly often have negative backlash later for underperformance when it becomes clear their positive impact didn't carry over, but the big secret is that is true of pretty much everyone.

So in a nutshell, every coach people think is incredible is probably overrated IMO, but many of them never have it proven, and by overrated, I don't mean they're bad. Tehy're great. Still probably the best in the world at what they do. However the impact of the best coach in the world and the 30th best coach isn't so different. The best coach just typically has a better situation.

Don't agree. It's like a house, if you lay the foundation wrong you will always have issues.
No doubt there are plenty of coaches who can win with a loaded roster but as we have seen in the past, others can changes things up and win.
Talent is king but coaching is vastly important to the overall end result. Otherwise, Blatt would have won a ring with the Cavs instead of Lue replacing him.

MrFortune3 wrote:Don't agree. It's like a house, if you lay the foundation wrong you will always have issues.
No doubt there are plenty of coaches who can win with a loaded roster but as we have seen in the past, others can changes things up and win.
Talent is king but coaching is vastly important to the overall end result. Otherwise, Blatt would have won a ring with the Cavs instead of Lue replacing him.

Maybe I'd put it this way: Bad coaching can screw up good talent, and bad coaching can just be relationships that don't work out and have little to do with the coaches knowledge of the game or skill at what he does from a basketball sense. Good coaching allows you to live up to your potential. At any point in time, I think there are plenty of "good" coaches, but that doesn't mean they are good in every situation. Ie, Phil Jackson may have gotten the best out of the Jordan Bulls, I'm not sure he'd kick ass with a rebuilding team though. Donovan is hailed as a great coach, but his team hasn't really done well in the playoffs.

dougthonus wrote:

MrFortune3 wrote:Don't agree. It's like a house, if you lay the foundation wrong you will always have issues.
No doubt there are plenty of coaches who can win with a loaded roster but as we have seen in the past, others can changes things up and win.
Talent is king but coaching is vastly important to the overall end result. Otherwise, Blatt would have won a ring with the Cavs instead of Lue replacing him.

Maybe I'd put it this way: Bad coaching can screw up good talent, and bad coaching can just be relationships that don't work out and have little to do with the coaches knowledge of the game or skill at what he does from a basketball sense. Good coaching allows you to live up to your potential. At any point in time, I think there are plenty of "good" coaches, but that doesn't mean they are good in every situation. Ie, Phil Jackson may have gotten the best out of the Jordan Bulls, I'm not sure he'd kick ass with a rebuilding team though. Donovan is hailed as a great coach, but his team hasn't really done well in the playoffs.

See, I'm all ready for an argument and then you post this and capture my feelings on the situation of coaching that I've mentioned before.

It's one of the reasons why I talk about culture being important, every coach in the NBA can teach X's and O's. It's when they get the CEO HC role where they struggle. It separates the good from the bad. Management, communication, delegation.
That's what makes someone like Spo so good with the Heat. He embodies their culture and communicates down to his players. No matter the talent level.

HomoSapien wrote:I love Doc and probably would have slightly preferred him, but what can you do. Still happy with Donovan, and who knows if Doc would prefer us over teams like Houston or Philly.

Gosh, Houston is a nightmare of a job. Better get something done in the next year or two, and you better be able to do it without any means of improving the roster. Harden/Russ/Gordon take up basically the entire payroll, only one of them can shoot anymore, all are over 30, and Harden's the only tradeable contract of the bunch.

jake_swivel wrote:

HomoSapien wrote:I love Doc and probably would have slightly preferred him, but what can you do. Still happy with Donovan, and who knows if Doc would prefer us over teams like Houston or Philly.

Gosh, Houston is a nightmare of a job. Better get something done in the next year or two, and you better be able to do it without any means of improving the roster. Harden/Russ/Gordon take up basically the entire payroll, only one of them can shoot anymore, all are over 30, and Harden's the only tradeable contract of the bunch.

Some coaches would rather gamble with the proven vets and a top 5(maybe) player in Harden. Just depends on if they want to win now or set themselves up to win in the long term.
What's amazing to me is that more people seem to be reportedly interested in Philly than NO.

Doc rivers sucks. He’s old hat. Donovan is younger in NBA years & way hungrier. Rivers wouldn’t have made the playoffs with that OKC roster. Donovan is still a few years away from really coming into his own in the NBA & still has plenty of upside left to mine. Rivers’s best days are behind him & he’s always been overrated

PhilLeotardo wrote:Doc rivers sucks. He’s old hat. Donovan is younger in NBA years & way hungrier. Rivers wouldn’t have made the playoffs with that OKC roster. Donovan is still a few years away from really coming into his own in the NBA & still has plenty of upside left to mine. Rivers’s best days are behind him & he’s always been overrated

I prefer Donovan over Rivers at this point but Rivers made the playoffs but Rivers made the playoffs with a similar roster in 2018 despite the fact that the Clippers were trying to rebuild and traded away Tobias Harris who was at that point their best player.

HomoSapien wrote:I love Doc and probably would have slightly preferred him, but what can you do. Still happy with Donovan, and who knows if Doc would prefer us over teams like Houston or Philly.

Would have been such a great full circle story for Doc to come home and finish his career in Chicago and win a title or two with the Bulls.

Started out at Proviso East with State Championships and finish up with the Bulls with an NBA Championship.

Doc is getting overrated with his Boston win and probably the fantasy that he gets along with stars is probably broken with the Clippers honeymoon period. I am not saying Donovan is way better but he knows how to manage the stars as well as Doc and has more potential because he is still very young which was unexpected.

Even if Donovan turned out pedestrian, the Bulls are bottom tier organization that can use him to make them average for 4 yrs and move on to a Nick nurse type after they are ready to leap to the next level like the Heat.

Dez wrote:Thank f*** we signed a coach before Rivers got fired, would've been fuming if we ended up with him.

I'm in the anti-Rivers crowd as well

I'm thrilled with Billy. I can't think of the last time we made a hire this good.
Did Gar/Pax ever hire a reputable NBA coach?

Now we just need New York to start taking basketball seriously.
I have a feeling that in the next 5 years or so, we're going to see some really great Bulls/New York/Miami/Boston rivalries again.
It'll still be a little bit, but it'll happen.

Rivers would be wrong coach for Bulls. We are also lucky that Billy signed deal before Clippers job was available because otherwise we would never stood a chance getting calibre of coach like him.

yep hard pass on a coach who has blown THREE 3-1 playoff series leads now

He looked like a guy who was ready for vacation after game 5 in that series. I watched his body language closely those last 2 games wondering if they might replace him, so I'm not shocked.

I'm a big believer in team chemistry and I really think there is more to the "Paul George used to date Doc Rivers daughter and then got a stripper pregnant and had to break off the engagement" story than we heard. We won't but I just cant see this guy and Doc getting along with this hanging out there.

Winning an NBA championship is an ALL IN journey. You have to be a cohesive unit and sacrifice for each other and the good of the team. The coach has to inspire and lead and players have to follow and trust him.

Once I heard that story (and I had not prior to this playoffs starting) I watched the PG and Doc 'interactions' like a hawk when I could see them and I never saw them talk. I saw Doc try and talk to him, dap him up by the bench - but PG always walked by Doc like Doc had a raging case of COVID.

So I'm not shocked this happened, I kinda expected it.

Ballmer traded his future for PG and one had to go.