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Lauri:' I can make the comeback'

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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#221 » by Mbrahv0528 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 11:30 pm

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No he wasn't and no it didn't.
Yes he was and yes it did.

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Lauri hasn't eclipsed Niko at all and hasn't looked like an All Star.
You're misreading his post. At one point both of those statements were true and that's what the poster was referring to.

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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#222 » by SalmonsSuperfan » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:27 pm

Mbrahv0528 wrote:
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Mbrahv0528 wrote:Yes he was and yes it did.

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Lauri hasn't eclipsed Niko at all and hasn't looked like an All Star.
You're misreading his post. At one point both of those statements were true and that's what the poster was referring to.

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lauri at his best was never better than niko in any facet (except being tall) and lauri was put in a better position to succeed by management and coaching. i really feel for niko, his career would have been much different had bobby never broken his face. even if the stats don't make it abundantly obvious, the bulls were a better team when niko played. even the pelicans were a MUCH better team when he replaced cousins.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#223 » by Hold That » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:19 pm

Hopefully we don’t trade him on draft day, he’s more likely to improve his value than Wendell at the start of the season, and we can get more for him trade deadline or next yearS draft, rather than throwing him in as a complimentary piece, we can use him as a center piece in a trade.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#224 » by erlim » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:10 am

SalmonsSuperfan wrote:
Mbrahv0528 wrote:
Dez wrote:Lauri hasn't eclipsed Niko at all and hasn't looked like an All Star.
You're misreading his post. At one point both of those statements were true and that's what the poster was referring to.

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lauri at his best was never better than niko in any facet (except being tall) and lauri was put in a better position to succeed by management and coaching. i really feel for niko, his career would have been much different had bobby never broken his face. even if the stats don't make it abundantly obvious, the bulls were a better team when niko played. even the pelicans were a MUCH better team when he replaced cousins.


I don’t feel sorry for Niko, he’s living like a king in beautiful weather in a world class costal mediterranean city. Definitely DEFINITELY nicer than Milwaukee or Salt Laker city or wherever was offering him a contract.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#225 » by Indomitable » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:47 pm

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That is a totally broad & unfounded assumption. You’ve got no idea what they’re feeling or thinking, no one does. For all we know, they want everyone except Cobi/WCJ/Gafford gone

AKEVS aren’t stupid, and Markkanens flaws are clear as day. Sure, Boylin misused him & set him back, but he’s never going to be fast enough to be a true multi-faceted weapon in the NBA, nor a competent defender, and he doesn’t possess Joker-esque vision that would be needed to make up for his physical & athletic deficiencies

You may be right, but everything you typed could also be utter nonsense. AKEVS aren’t PaxGar, they aren’t concerned with egotistical crap. They won’t keep an inferior player just to prove some nobody that doesn’t even work for the franchise anymore wrong. They’ll keep the guys who are talented & want to be there, and get rid of the guys who don’t. Lauri is a guy who’s upside isn’t nearly as high as people are making it out to be, and will likely wind up making too much money. I don’t think anyone would be shocked to see him get traded

And WCJ could definitely be better than just your average garbageman. We’ve seen flashes of a really good player when he’s been in shape & locked in. He’s a very good passer for a C, and has quality shooting mechanics. He went #7 in a GOAT draft for a reason. He’s very skilled, underrated athletically, and very very young


Excuse me what.
Did you really say WJC is a GOAT.
Get the hell out of here with that nonsense.

Shaq O'Neal was and is still a GOAT but guess what WJC isn't and never won't be next Shaq O'Neal.
PS thanks for good laughs.


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Yeah it something funny but it is his post.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#226 » by TallDude » Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:47 am

Yep. Lauri put 19/9 numbers so he must be useless player. And with limited minutes. Our team is so bad tht opponets can give Lavine as much points what he like. If we are better team next season somebody might even guard him.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#227 » by GrowingHorns » Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:58 pm

One thing aside Lauri's own doing and coaching that held back Lauri last season: lack of small forwards that can actually shoot and be constantly somewhat of a threat. Now we got Pat and we have hopefully healthy Otto, it opens lot more chances for Lauri getting balls in movement on his hands. He is lot better making this off from the run than getting it in static position and then deciding what to do. Especially as we weren't allowed to use mid-range at all. (Not Lauri's biggest strength but it gives players that needed choice to keep opponents guessing)
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#228 » by coldfish » Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:36 pm

To a large degree, I think a lot of people are behind the times. Lauri was a 4 back in the days when stretch 4's just started appearing. Nowadays, 4's are actually far more athletic and shooting the 3 is a full expectation. No one in the league wants to start a 4 who can't shoot. Pascal Siakam is a prototypical 4, not Lauri.

As another note, Lauri has never shown the ability to take advantage of smaller players. When shorter players are up on him, he struggles to shoot and can't drive by them. His size at the 4, as a result, is largely neutralized.

IMO, Lauri is a 5 in today's NBA from a size and footspeed standpoint. Unfortunately, Lauri isn't a good help defender, doesn't like to body up big players and isn't a great rebounder. He really doesn't fit here either.

I don't think Lauri has a position in today's NBA. He will have a few months to prove me and a whole bunch of other people wrong. If he can't, I would like to see him moved at the deadline. Based on a lot of what I have read here, its his end goal to go to Dallas and chill. We don't want to lose him for nothing.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#229 » by sco » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:23 pm

coldfish wrote:To a large degree, I think a lot of people are behind the times. Lauri was a 4 back in the days when stretch 4's just started appearing. Nowadays, 4's are actually far more athletic and shooting the 3 is a full expectation. No one in the league wants to start a 4 who can't shoot. Pascal Siakam is a prototypical 4, not Lauri.

As another note, Lauri has never shown the ability to take advantage of smaller players. When shorter players are up on him, he struggles to shoot and can't drive by them. His size at the 4, as a result, is largely neutralized.

IMO, Lauri is a 5 in today's NBA from a size and footspeed standpoint. Unfortunately, Lauri isn't a good help defender, doesn't like to body up big players and isn't a great rebounder. He really doesn't fit here either.

I don't think Lauri has a position in today's NBA. He will have a few months to prove me and a whole bunch of other people wrong. If he can't, I would like to see him moved at the deadline. Based on a lot of what I have read here, its his end goal to go to Dallas and chill. We don't want to lose him for nothing.

I agree that last season, Lauri, came in too heavy and was very immobile. I remember him being a decent defender with good foot speed as a rookie. His hops and rebounding took a dive when he bulked up. Playing in the post, just isn't his game, but they tried to get him to be better in the post by bulking-up and it hurt the rest of his game more than it helped his weakness.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#230 » by coldfish » Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:38 pm

sco wrote:
coldfish wrote:To a large degree, I think a lot of people are behind the times. Lauri was a 4 back in the days when stretch 4's just started appearing. Nowadays, 4's are actually far more athletic and shooting the 3 is a full expectation. No one in the league wants to start a 4 who can't shoot. Pascal Siakam is a prototypical 4, not Lauri.

As another note, Lauri has never shown the ability to take advantage of smaller players. When shorter players are up on him, he struggles to shoot and can't drive by them. His size at the 4, as a result, is largely neutralized.

IMO, Lauri is a 5 in today's NBA from a size and footspeed standpoint. Unfortunately, Lauri isn't a good help defender, doesn't like to body up big players and isn't a great rebounder. He really doesn't fit here either.

I don't think Lauri has a position in today's NBA. He will have a few months to prove me and a whole bunch of other people wrong. If he can't, I would like to see him moved at the deadline. Based on a lot of what I have read here, its his end goal to go to Dallas and chill. We don't want to lose him for nothing.

I agree that last season, Lauri, came in too heavy and was very immobile. I remember him being a decent defender with good foot speed as a rookie. His hops and rebounding took a dive when he bulked up. Playing in the post, just isn't his game, but they tried to get him to be better in the post by bulking-up and it hurt the rest of his game more than it helped his weakness.


He has never been a bad 1 on 1 defender. Even last year. His problem has always been off ball. He just has very poor court awareness.

I'm obviously not too high on Lauri. I just don't see where he fits, given all his wants and needs. If he would accept being a role player I think he could be a valuable player but he doesn't seem to be willing to do the little things that role players do.

Maybe Donovan can figure something out.
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Re: Lauri:' I can make the comeback' 

Post#231 » by Indomitable » Sun Nov 29, 2020 3:52 pm

coldfish wrote:
sco wrote:
coldfish wrote:To a large degree, I think a lot of people are behind the times. Lauri was a 4 back in the days when stretch 4's just started appearing. Nowadays, 4's are actually far more athletic and shooting the 3 is a full expectation. No one in the league wants to start a 4 who can't shoot. Pascal Siakam is a prototypical 4, not Lauri.

As another note, Lauri has never shown the ability to take advantage of smaller players. When shorter players are up on him, he struggles to shoot and can't drive by them. His size at the 4, as a result, is largely neutralized.

IMO, Lauri is a 5 in today's NBA from a size and footspeed standpoint. Unfortunately, Lauri isn't a good help defender, doesn't like to body up big players and isn't a great rebounder. He really doesn't fit here either.

I don't think Lauri has a position in today's NBA. He will have a few months to prove me and a whole bunch of other people wrong. If he can't, I would like to see him moved at the deadline. Based on a lot of what I have read here, its his end goal to go to Dallas and chill. We don't want to lose him for nothing.

I agree that last season, Lauri, came in too heavy and was very immobile. I remember him being a decent defender with good foot speed as a rookie. His hops and rebounding took a dive when he bulked up. Playing in the post, just isn't his game, but they tried to get him to be better in the post by bulking-up and it hurt the rest of his game more than it helped his weakness.


He has never been a bad 1 on 1 defender. Even last year. His problem has always been off ball. He just has very poor court awareness.

I'm obviously not too high on Lauri. I just don't see where he fits, given all his wants and needs. If he would accept being a role player I think he could be a valuable player but he doesn't seem to be willing to do the little things that role players do.

Maybe Donovan can figure something out.

Lauri is a man who has one more contract coming. Dump him before this. Plus him and Porzingus would be the slowest front court. Lauri is living in a dream world.
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