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Bulls might trade up in draft - Update PG. 25 - Bulls like Ball/may dangle Carter Jr. per Givony 

Post#1 » by UnFadeable21 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:38 am

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Which direction will they go? There should be options to address the team’s playmaking deficiencies and lack of wing depth at No. 4. Artūras Karnišovas and Marc Eversley have both also displayed a penchant for draft-day trades at past NBA stops. All options are seemingly on the table.

Speaking on the latest Bulls Talk Podcast with K.C. Johnson, Tom Haberstroh said he’s expecting Karnišovas to pursue a move up in his first draft as executive vice president of basketball operations.

“I think [Karnišovas] might move up, because I think No. 1 with Minnesota and No. 2 (with Golden State) is going to be readily available,” Haberstroh said. “I would be surprised if you didn’t see Charlotte (at No. 3) or Chicago move up in the draft.”

Reports have swirled for months that the Warriors are interested in flipping their No. 2 overall selection for a win-now piece — with a healthy Steph Curry and Klay Thompson, Draymond Green and solid supplemental pieces in tow, their championship window remains open. The Ringer’s Kevin O’Connor said in his latest mock draft that “executives around the NBA say the Timberwolves prefer to trade down or out of this pick to bring in a win-now player…”

For now, there is a leaguewide moratorium on transactions while the NBA and NBPA hammer out modifications to the CBA in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic-affected 2019-20 season. But come draft night, Haberstroh thinks the floodgates could open.

“I also just think people are going to be more trigger-happy, make some deals because they’ve been so far away, so far removed from real NBA stuff that I do think there’s going to be a circus on draft night with the No. 1 pick,” he said on the podcast. “Top five I just think it’s just going to be all hands on deck.”

The Bulls find themselves squarely in that mix. A move up would be a risk, but if made by Karnišovas, you can bet it’ll be a calculated one. It could just be a matter of the price — and if there’s a prospect near the top that catches his eye.

“What is Chicago willing to give up to move up in the draft? If they have a guy that they really want and they don’t want to risk losing that player at No. 4? I don’t know what they’re willing to give up,” Haberstroh said. “But I do think that it wouldn’t be out of the realm, I wouldn’t be surprised if Artūras made a big splash on draft night and got a player that he really, really covets and values.


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Post#2 » by UnFadeable21 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:43 am

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Via NBCSports: Chicago Bulls want the No. 1 Pick & Minnesota Twolves want to trade down. '

Who says no?

Bulls get Lamelo Ball, James Johnson, Jacob Evans, Omari Spellman = Expiring $20 million cap.

Chicago Bulls get No. 1 NBA Overall Pick & $60+ million cap space total for 2021 big free agency class. Sign two max contract free agents.

Expiring Contracts for 2021:

Porter - 28.4 million
Johnson - 16 million
Felicio - 7.5 million
Lauri - 6.7 million
Spellman - 2 million
Evans - 2 million'

Timberwolves get No. 4 & Zach Lavine.
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Post#3 » by PlayerUp » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:45 am

UnFadeable21 wrote:Image

Via NBCSports: Chicago Bulls want the No. 1 Pick & Minnesota Twolves want to trade down. '

Who says no?

Bulls get Lamelo Ball, James Johnson, Jacob Evans, Omari Spellman = Expiring $20 million cap.

Chicago Bulls get No. 1 NBA Overall Pick & $60+ million cap space total for 2021 big free agency class. Sign two max contract free agents.

Expiring Contracts for 2021:

Porter - 28.4 million
Johnson - 16 million
Felicio - 7.5 million
Lauri - 6.7 million
Spellman - 2 million
Evans - 2 million'

Timberwolves get No. 4 & Zach Lavine.


Bulls say no.

Why in the world would we trade Lavine with the #4 to move up 3 spots in a draft where the difference between #1 and #4 is minimal? Lavine + another asset for #1 or #2. No #4 pick attached.

Sorry this article is pure speculation they have no credible sources saying AK will do this.
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Post#4 » by sco » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:49 am

UnFadeable21 wrote:Image

Via NBCSports: Chicago Bulls want the No. 1 Pick & Minnesota Twolves want to trade down. '

Who says no?

Bulls get Lamelo Ball, James Johnson, Jacob Evans, Omari Spellman = Expiring $20 million cap.

Chicago Bulls get No. 1 NBA Overall Pick & $60+ million cap space total for 2021 big free agency class. Sign two max contract free agents.

Expiring Contracts for 2021:

Porter - 28.4 million
Johnson - 16 million
Felicio - 7.5 million
Lauri - 6.7 million
Spellman - 2 million
Evans - 2 million'

Timberwolves get No. 4 & Zach Lavine.

First, on your trade...no thank you. Zach is worth the #1 pick in this draft on his own.

Second, there really is no rumor hear, just some reporter thinking the first 2 picks won't cost much to upgrade. If AK thinks there is gold at #1 or 2, I'd be ok dumping a secondary piece like Lauri or WCj to move up, but that's a steep price to pay for what is, IMO, a near-even talent between first and fourth picks this year.
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Post#5 » by UnFadeable21 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:49 am

PlayerUp wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:
Via NBCSports: Chicago Bulls want the No. 1 Pick & Minnesota Twolves want to trade down. '

Who says no?

Bulls get Lamelo Ball, James Johnson, Jacob Evans, Omari Spellman = Expiring $20 million cap.

Chicago Bulls get No. 1 NBA Overall Pick & $60+ million cap space total for 2021 big free agency class. Sign two max contract free agents.

Expiring Contracts for 2021:

Porter - 28.4 million
Johnson - 16 million
Felicio - 7.5 million
Lauri - 6.7 million
Spellman - 2 million
Evans - 2 million'

Timberwolves get No. 4 & Zach Lavine.


Bulls say no.

Why in the world would we trade Lavine with the #4 to move up 3 spots in a draft where the difference between #1 and #4 is minimal? Lavine + another asset for #1 or #2. No #4 pick attached.

Sorry this article is pure speculation they have no credible sources saying AK will do this.


Let's say the Bulls take Lamelo Ball or James Wiseman.

You also lose Lavine's money for the next two years, freeing up 2 max slot free agents in 2021.

If you keep Zach, you will only have one max free agent slot for 2021.

So basically the deal would be two max slots and the number 1 pick for Lavine and No.4.
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Post#6 » by dougthonus » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:50 am

This article is just someone's random opinion.

If it costs us LaVine plus #4 to move up, then we would be complete idiots to move up. If GS or Minnesota wants LaVine for the #1 or #2 pick straight up, then I'd probably do it, even though it would put us on a rebuilding course for this year and I'm not that high on the guys in this draft, LaVine's long term salary situation is concerning enough relative to the Bulls position to trade out for a good asset.

Doubt LaVine is enough for the #1 or #2 pick in the draft though.
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Post#7 » by PlayerUp » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:51 am

UnFadeable21 wrote:You also lose Lavine's money for the next two years, freeing up 2 max slot free agents in 2021.


Bulls aren't getting 1 max free agent in 2021 so why clear 2 max slots?

UnFadeable21 wrote:If you keep Zach, you will only have one max free agent slot for 2021.


Alternatively you can just dump Lavine for cap relief if 2 max cap space players actually agree which there is a less than 1% chance they will in 2021.

UnFadeable21 wrote:So basically the deal would be two max slots and the number 1 pick for Lavine and No.4.


You're overpaying for the #1.
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Post#8 » by sco » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:52 am

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PlayerUp wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:
Via NBCSports: Chicago Bulls want the No. 1 Pick & Minnesota Twolves want to trade down. '

Who says no?

Bulls get Lamelo Ball, James Johnson, Jacob Evans, Omari Spellman = Expiring $20 million cap.

Chicago Bulls get No. 1 NBA Overall Pick & $60+ million cap space total for 2021 big free agency class. Sign two max contract free agents.

Expiring Contracts for 2021:

Porter - 28.4 million
Johnson - 16 million
Felicio - 7.5 million
Lauri - 6.7 million
Spellman - 2 million
Evans - 2 million'

Timberwolves get No. 4 & Zach Lavine.


Bulls say no.

Why in the world would we trade Lavine with the #4 to move up 3 spots in a draft where the difference between #1 and #4 is minimal? Lavine + another asset for #1 or #2. No #4 pick attached.

Sorry this article is pure speculation they have no credible sources saying AK will do this.


Let's say the Bulls take Lamelo Ball or James Wiseman.

You also lose Lavine's money for the next two years, freeing up 2 max slot free agents in 2021.

If you keep Zach, you will only have one max free agent slot for 2021.

So basically the deal would be two max slots and the number 1 pick for Lavine and No.4.

Bulls have ways to get to 2 max slots without the trade. Even so, the Bulls have effectively become a small market team and max slots don't seem to equate to elite talent FA's coming.
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Post#9 » by dougthonus » Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:57 am

UnFadeable21 wrote:So basically the deal would be two max slots and the number 1 pick for Lavine and No.4.


Those max slots are a lot less valuable without LaVine on the roster. To get two max guys to come here, you'd need to be a playoff team and have a good chance of success.

Fundamentally, regardless of whether you want two max slots, you don't make a bad trade to do it. The #1 pick in this draft isn't that valuable. The picks are so bad in this draft, that you could make a serious case that its not worth the extra 2.5M per year to pay the #1 pick vs the #4 pick in this draft.
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UnFadeable21 wrote:So basically the deal would be two max slots and the number 1 pick for Lavine and No.4.


Those max slots are a lot less valuable without LaVine on the roster. To get two max guys to come here, you'd need to be a playoff team and have a good chance of success.

Fundamentally, regardless of whether you want two max slots, you don't make a bad trade to do it. The #1 pick in this draft isn't that valuable. The picks are so bad in this draft, that you could make a serious case that its not worth the extra 2.5M per year to pay the #1 pick vs the #4 pick in this draft.


When you have two slots that's when Superstars join up to make a super team.

Two max slots, you could tell Giannis who he wants with him as his pair. You could have GIannis, Beal, and Wiseman/Lamelo with the number 1 pick this year. Still would have Wendell, Coby White, Tomas,

Draft Express & The Athletic says the top 3 guys are far better than the rest and at least have star potential. Lamelo, Edwards, and Wiseman.
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Post#11 » by dougthonus » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:09 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:When you have two slots that's when Superstars join up to make a super team.

Two max slots, you could tell Giannis who he wants with him as his pair. You could have GIannis, Beal, and Wiseman/Lamelo with the number 1 pick this year. Still would have Wendell, Coby White, Tomas,


You could generate two max slots with LaVine on the roster, and it would be way more appealing than what you just outlined. I'd have to run the math to be 100% sure, but you could probably get 2 max slots with Carter, White, LaVine, #4, and that's far better.

Draft Express & The Athletic says the top 3 guys are far better than the rest and at least have star potential. Lamelo, Edwards, and Wiseman.


I don't believe these three people have considerably higher potential than other guys.
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The story is from NBC Sports National NBA Insider - Tom Haberstroh talking to Bulls Insider KC Johnson.

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UnFadeable21 wrote:The story is from NBC Sports National NBA Insider - Tom Haberstroh talking to Bulls Insider KC Johnson.

Tom is plugged in & has 172k Followers


He wasn't reporting, he was speculating. I would guess if you went through Tom Haberstroh's history of speculation, that you'd find it to generally be amazingly inaccurate, just like everyone else in the worlds speculation.
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UnFadeable21 wrote:You also lose Lavine's money for the next two years, freeing up 2 max slot free agents in 2021.


Bulls aren't getting 1 max free agent in 2021 so why clear 2 max slots?

UnFadeable21 wrote:If you keep Zach, you will only have one max free agent slot for 2021.


Alternatively you can just dump Lavine for cap relief if 2 max cap space players actually agree which there is a less than 1% chance they will in 2021.

UnFadeable21 wrote:So basically the deal would be two max slots and the number 1 pick for Lavine and No.4.


You're overpaying for the #1.


You might not get superstars like Giannis but what about two all stars level like players?

You telling me you wouldn’t want Bradley Beal with Andre Drummond and the number 1 overall?

Beal 30ppg 4reb 6ast

Andre 18ppg 15rebs
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Post#15 » by UnFadeable21 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:22 pm

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UnFadeable21 wrote:The story is from NBC Sports National NBA Insider - Tom Haberstroh talking to Bulls Insider KC Johnson.

Tom is plugged in & has 172k Followers


He wasn't reporting, he was speculating. I would guess if you went through Tom Haberstroh's history of speculation, that you'd find it to generally be amazingly inaccurate, just like everyone else in the worlds speculation.


He’s gotta be credible if he’s followed by guys like Windhorst, Shams, Haynes, Mannix, Stein, the basketball insider reporters.

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Post#16 » by MrFortune3 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:28 pm

If we were moving up in the draft, we wouldn’t be hearing about it right now.

Also, hell no to those trades.
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Post#17 » by jmajew » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:32 pm

The only trade that makes sense is the Bulls Trading Porter Jr & #4 for Wiggins and #2. I'm not even sure I'd do that. Maybe Porter Jr for Wiggins and #2 straight up.
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Post#18 » by UnFadeable21 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:34 pm

What about Jarrett Culver, James Johnson, and the number 1 for Zach Lavine & the number 4?
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Post#19 » by MrFortune3 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:38 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:What about Jarrett Culver, James Johnson, and the number 1 for Zach Lavine & the number 4?


You guys do realize that AK is essentially doing his initial build around Zach and not trading him right?

I know it’s a weird thing that some Bulls fans want him gone, but the FO and coaching staff actually like him.
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Man if the Bulls could get Lamelo Ball, man he would unlock Wendell & Lauri!

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LaMelo Ball

6'7"190 lbs USA

NBL Rookie of the Year

17 ppg, 7.5 rebs, 7 asts, 2.5 stls

Went from 5'11 to 6'7 in two years.

Pre-Draft Analysis

Strengths

- Has elite size for a point guard at 6-foot-7. Controls the game from his unique vantage point with impressive creativity, flair, poise and instincts operating off a live dribble. Gifted ball handler who plays at different speeds and can make every pass with either hand, especially operating out of pick-and-roll. Throws 90-foot outlets, makes magical touch passes.

- Has a chance to be an adequate defender due to his combination of terrific size, quick feet and instincts, particularly when he's playing with energy. Already has some impressive moments rotating for steals and contesting shots around the basket. Excellent rebounder for a guard.

- Won't turn 19 until well after the draft. Will be one of the youngest players picked in the first round. Might still be growing.

Improvement areas

- Has struggled to score efficiently throughout his career. Shot just 46% from 2-point range and 25% from 3. Shoots jumpers with unorthodox mechanics, including a two-handed release while kicking out his legs. The touch he shows on floaters and career 82% free throw percentage leaves room for optimism, but his inability to buy a basket at times this season in the half court was discouraging.

- Lacks a degree of high-end explosiveness creating offense from a standstill and beating opponents off the dribble. Doesn't have the strength to finish what he does create around the basket. Relies on a lot of tough floaters and other difficult attempts inside the arc.

- Indifferent defender for much of his career. Still reverts back to that frequently, especially off the ball. Struggles to get over screens due to his lack of strength. Has been maligned at times for his work ethic and level of focus.

Projected role: Franchise point guard

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