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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#41 » by League Circles » Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:56 pm

A contract to Denzel Valentine on a bad team. SMFH....................
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#42 » by Pax for Prez » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:01 am

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Red8911 wrote:I honestly thought both of these guys wouldn’t return so I am too surprised that they want to bring back Valentine.

What does the Qualifying offer mean? They signed him for another year? And can they still trade him now or later on?


Restricted free agency allows the team to match any offer the player receives from another team. But in order to have that right, the team must have issued the player a qualifying offer. If a qualifying offer wasn’t issued, that player is an unrestricted free agent instead.

The qualifying offer is binding as a one-year contract. If the player signs it, he’s under contract for next season. He could also sign an offer sheet from another team (which his team would have the ability to match), and he and his team could agree on a new, multi-year contract. The team also has the ability to rescind the qualifying offer going forward.


FYI - He can potentially becoming a trade candidate down the line (he would have had veto power if he played on the QO).
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#43 » by Ctownbulls » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:04 am

valuing passing, shooting and IQ -- not saying I love Valentine but I like the direction
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#44 » by TheFinishSniper » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:11 am

Ctownbulls wrote:valuing passing, shooting and IQ -- not saying I love Valentine but I like the direction

also means no defense, no athleticism, no finishing at rim etc.
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#45 » by Wingy » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:27 am

Valentine. Why?

Useless. I’d rather sign Frank Nitty.

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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#46 » by patagonia » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:32 am

It could just be that they know Dunn will receive an offer they don't want to match so why waste everyone's time.
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#47 » by TheSuzerain » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:40 am

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TheSuzerain wrote:Denzel at a QO of $4 million makes sense as salary filler in a trade.

I doubt he gets $4 million on the open market this year.


After Denzel accepts his QO, am I correct the Bulls can not trade him without his consent (because he would have to give up his Bird Rights) ?

I don't think so in that scenario. We should be good.
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#48 » by D_GoLow » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:45 am

Valentine has skills coming off the bench that this team could really use. Hey hasn't been used properly since he got hurr
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#49 » by meekrab » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:54 am

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TheSuzerain wrote:Denzel at a QO of $4 million makes sense as salary filler in a trade.

I doubt he gets $4 million on the open market this year.


After Denzel accepts his QO, am I correct the Bulls can not trade him without his consent (because he would have to give up his Bird Rights) ?

I don't think so in that scenario. We should be good.

Being traded does not reset your Bird Rights clock, changing teams as a free agent does.
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#50 » by Jvaughn » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:56 am

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Okay now I'm confused. I figured Shaq would just be the Dunn replacement.
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#51 » by JimmyButler21 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:57 am

Bulls have to be setting up for a trade or drafting a point guard based on these moves
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#52 » by Repeat 3-peat » Tue Nov 17, 2020 12:57 am

Jvaughn wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Okay now I'm confused. I figured Shaq would just be the Dunn replacement.


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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#53 » by Repeat 3-peat » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:03 am

JimmyButler21 wrote:Bulls have to be setting up for a trade or drafting a point guard based on these moves


Haliburton sure fits now. Playmaker and defender.
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn. Page 3: Not to Shaq Harrison either 

Post#54 » by HomoSapien » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:05 am

Seems like AK is signaling that he doesn't like one-dimensional point guards. At the end of the day, Dunn, Shaq, and Arci all shared a lot of similarities that made them redundant. I think we should expect a guard in this draft.
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn. Page 3: Not to Shaq Harrison either 

Post#55 » by BigUps » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:09 am

It’s a shooters league. Dunn and Shaq couldn’t shoot. Valentine can. Not sure this does anything to who we draft, outside of maybe moving down players that can’t hit the 3 well.
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn. Page 3: Not to Shaq Harrison either 

Post#56 » by Jvaughn » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:10 am

HomoSapien wrote:Seems like AK is signaling that he doesn't like one-dimensional point guards. At the end of the day, Dunn, Shaq, and Arci all shared a lot of similarities that made them redundant. I think we should expect a guard in this draft.


That's kind of what I'm expecting now. Just really hope it's not Haliburton with 4. Like him as a player, but believe his ceiling is too limited to be a top 5 pick.
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn. Page 3: Not to Shaq Harrison either 

Post#57 » by Repeat 3-peat » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:11 am

No Dunn, no Shaq=

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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn 

Post#58 » by Pax for Prez » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:12 am

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Pax for Prez wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:Denzel at a QO of $4 million makes sense as salary filler in a trade.

I doubt he gets $4 million on the open market this year.


After Denzel accepts his QO, am I correct the Bulls can not trade him without his consent (because he would have to give up his Bird Rights) ?

I don't think so in that scenario. We should be good.


FYI - He can potentially becoming a trade candidate down the line (he would have had veto power if he played on the QO)

https://www.blogabull.com/2020/11/16/21570511/kris-dunn-not-getting-qualifying-offer-from-bulls-but-denzel-valentine-is
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn. Page 3: Not to Shaq Harrison either 

Post#59 » by HomoSapien » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:16 am

BigUps wrote:It’s a shooters league. Dunn and Shaq couldn’t shoot. Valentine can. Not sure this does anything to who we draft, outside of maybe moving down players that can’t hit the 3 well.


Yeah, I get the feeling that AK is going to build a team where every single player needs to be able to provide something offensively.
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Re: QO to Valentine but not Dunn. Page 3: Not to Shaq Harrison either 

Post#60 » by TheFinishSniper » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:29 am

2 out 3 good moves. Wish it was 3 for 3.
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