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Post#761 » by nomorezorro » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:53 am

the mcgraw "if ever" addendum appears to be baseless speculation

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Post#762 » by TheStig » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:53 am

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With the way they've remade the roster so far, I can see them doing well this year.

I think Elton Brand was in way over his head. Morey is an excellent GM.


I don't even think he was in over his head. He just made poor construction decisions. Sometimes talent can overcome anything but their roster construction was too poor for that.

I'm pretty sure not resigning the guy who had you within a shot of beating the champions is a big mistake. One an elite exec in Riley capitalized on and made the finals. Brand was in over his head. I'm not even sure who he was bidding against with Harris and Hortford.
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Post#763 » by aramada » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:53 am

Boring GarPax like draft night...
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Post#764 » by _txchilibowl_ » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:53 am

Knee jerk Draft Grade : B+

I love the picks but that's probably more of an indictment about the entirety of this draft. I just didn't love any of these prospects.

Having said that, Williams makes sense to me as an upside pick and appears to have a solid floor as well. The body is NBA ready and he should be able to step on the floor as a defender fairly quickly. The offense may require some patience but I see signs of usefulness, if not more.

Simonovic is young, tall, and can shoot. I like all of those things. Stash him and if he ever gets good we've got ourselves a steal.
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Post#765 » by Pax for Prez » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:54 am

So all the big changes we were all waiting for was just selecting P. Williams ....... tonight was a let down.
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Post#766 » by riselife » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:54 am

We need Patrick Williams to be Larry Johnson for the Bulls for me to be happy lol
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Post#767 » by BahamaBull » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:54 am

nomorezorro wrote:i understand the impulse, but i hope everyone realizes that "i'm disappointed that we didn't do anything exciting, so our draft was bad" is a very dumb thing to actually believe


our draft wasnt bad...too early to tell...

But damn...it wasnt sexy at all...lets see if it works out...Not really high on Pat Will but I (still) trust AK...
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Post#768 » by TheSuzerain » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:55 am

The lack of turnover is concerning.

AK realizes these are the guys that got GarPax fired, right?
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Post#769 » by Ccwatercraft » Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:58 am

Pax for Prez wrote:So all the big changes we were all waiting for was just selecting P. Williams ....... tonight was a let down.


Yip, I wanted surf & turf, ended up with tuna casserole.

Then again, It can be tasty. I'll trust the process.
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Post#770 » by StunnerKO » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:00 am

Everyone is freaking out and FA starts Friday lol
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Post#771 » by MrSparkle » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:00 am

TheSuzerain wrote:The lack of turnover is concerning.

AK realizes these are the guys that got GarPax fired, right?


Well, one thing he hasn’t done yet is ‘sell low,’ and there’s nobody to sell high besides arguably Zach, who arguably still can’t be sold very high...

And he made tough but smart decisions letting Dunn and Shaq go.

And almost the entire Advocate Center staff has been flipped.

So... It’s a tad ridiculous expecting him to either dump all the crap-value sub-22yos for all-stars or conversely some high-hype pick in a very tough draft

Am I right?

I expected most the roster flipped by next year (as in 6-8 new guys), and I stand by that. There was literally no reason to get desperate tonight.
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Post#772 » by nomorezorro » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:02 am

TheSuzerain wrote:The lack of turnover is concerning.

AK realizes these are the guys that got GarPax fired, right?


i get the impulse to shake things up quickly because we are very familiar with the players on this team, but

1) the league year started like two days ago
2) even if we don't make any big moves this month, i don't think it's unreasonable for a new gm to say "we don't feel like it'd be the best approach to move on from most of this roster until we see the players under a coach who is not jim boylen or fred hoiberg"

i would be kind of disappointed if we don't even see any action on the thad/sato types in the next few weeks, but i don't think it's actually fair to be critical of a lack of aggressiveness until the deadline and next offseason
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Post#774 » by TheSuzerain » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:06 am

MrSparkle wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:The lack of turnover is concerning.

AK realizes these are the guys that got GarPax fired, right?


Well, one thing he hasn’t done yet is ‘sell low,’ and there’s nobody to sell high besides arguably Zach, who arguably still can’t be sold very high...

And he made tough but smart decisions letting Dunn and Shaq go.

And almost the entire Advocate Center staff has been flipped.

So... It’s a tad ridiculous expecting him to either dump all the crap-value sub-22yos for all-stars or conversely some high-hype pick in a very tough draft.

Am I right?

I expected most the roster flipped by next year (as in 6-8 new guys), and I stand by that. There was literally no reason to get desperate tonight.

The truth of it is that AK has done nothing impressive with the actual roster/assets yet. Which is a bit of a disappointing outcome after a much hyped draft night.

There's time left in the offseason, but you'd hope the first "turnover" domino would have fallen by now. Even if it's something obvious like cutting Felicio.
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Post#775 » by Repeat 3-peat » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:07 am

TheSuzerain wrote:The lack of turnover is concerning.

AK realizes these are the guys that got GarPax fired, right?


A whole new front office, a whole new coaching staff.... A big turnover already happened, and it was an important turnover.

It's a weird time during this pandemic. Free agency is about to start, then training camp begins in a few weeks. We should be patient.

Also, the main core guys were never likely to be moved this year. We'll see about Young, Sato, and maybe OPJ, though his contract makes it tough to move unless it's a swap.
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Post#776 » by imagge » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:07 am

TheSuzerain wrote:The lack of turnover is concerning.

AK realizes these are the guys that got GarPax fired, right?



AK made big changes within the organization, if the players dont improve then you change the players....I believe the players are good and fit but there was a lack of organizational infrastructure to support the players
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Post#777 » by JimmyButler21 » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:07 am

StunnerKO wrote:Everyone is freaking out and FA starts Friday lol

KC is already running with the "our roster is full" narrative
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Post#778 » by Chi town » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:07 am

TheSuzerain wrote:The lack of turnover is concerning.

AK realizes these are the guys that got GarPax fired, right?


1. Turnover is coming via trades. AK probably wants to see what he has with Billy D and pump some value before he makes his moves.

2. Rumors have been AK wants a vet PG and Sato is available via trade. I think OPJ is too based on Evs comments of OPJ being out of shape last season.

3. Sounds like Bulls like Lauri more than WCJ and maybe WCJ is the trade chip for a vet PG.

White/Vet FA/Arch
Lavine/Val/Sato
OPJ/PW/Hutch/Sato
Lauri/Young/PW
WCJ/Gafford/

If we can find trades for Sato and Young that would be great.

I like the idea of a trade of OPJ and Sato/Young for Dinwiddie and Prince.
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Post#779 » by TheStig » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:08 am

riselife wrote:We need Patrick Williams to be Larry Johnson for the Bulls for me to be happy lol

Pft, LJ would be a let down. He's got to be Bron but with a 3pt shot.
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Post#780 » by IliketheBullsNBearstoo » Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:10 am

StunnerKO wrote:Everyone is freaking out and FA starts Friday lol


Who are we getting?

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