cjbulls wrote:PaKii94 wrote:cjbulls wrote:
So you admit it's a reasonable conclusion to say Detroit would have traded 7/16 for him?
I have never said scouts have Ball 1, so you should take him 1. But you can use their reports to evaluate issues. For example, when people say "Lamelo doesn't play defense", the scouting reports show he doesn't put forth consistent effort, but has the physical ability to do so. Or when you see Patrick Williams low production, you can hear about the FSU system and why it isn't that rare to have a good player get on 22mpg.
The report from detroit was to trade ABOVE chi. It wasn't to trade with Chi. Why would they trade with Chi? Second what if AK didn't like the prospects at 7 even if it was offered? Just because your coach scouting has a different ranking doesn't mean it's the definitive ranking. Every team had their own workouts and their own boards. It's obvious a few teams did have PWill high on their boards .
So you think they wanted to trade with Charlotte for 3 but wouldn’t offer the exact same terms for Chicago at 4? If they get him at 4 they get to pay him even less $, there is no downside.
I never said mine was the definitive ranking. We all agreed before the draft that all these guys were ranked similarly. We all agreed before the draft (pre-rumors) Patrick wasn’t worthy of 4. But now that it happened, people are bending over backwards to hype this guy up. It’s fine, but I can be disappointed.
There were people ready to throw a fit if we took Deni. A few people said they would stop being Bulls fans if they took Ball. But for some reason me not enthusiastically jumping on board with this decision is not allowed. There were many better options, something like 5-10 when you factor in trades. With that said, I like the kid and want him to do well. I just don’t see any star potential outside of the Butler miracle scenario (unlike true raw prospects like a Poku). There were other guys with better star chances, including at 7.
People are now working with new information.
We hadn’t seen these videos of Williams cooking NBA players with a full arsenal of moves.
Also, a lot of people, myself included, are giving AK the benefit of the doubt.
He seemed pretty emphatic that this was the guy, and his track record in Denver obviously gives him credibility.
I thought this was an incredibly weak draft, so I wasn’t enthused about anybody at 4.
But Williams is growing on me now that I’ve started to research him.