Bullbleep wrote: coldfish wrote:https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-virus-italy-december.html
There is a case where sewers in Italy were testing positive for covid in December. They, like the LA study, had a statistically significant increase in pneumonia cases before the new year. I can point to countless data points like this. One you can dismiss but when you look at the totality of them, its pretty obvious that this was spreading far and wide around the world in 2019.
You have kept up on covid and are fully aware of just how bad it is. Now, apply your knowledge here. Would it be possible for a city to have completely unchecked community spread for months without noticing it? If the answer is no (which it obviously is), the Chinese were lying and covering up.
You realize that the article you’re citing points out precisely what you’re arguing against, right? No, probably not. I’ll help out here. It apparently took Milan &Turin two months to realize they had a new virus problem. Note that the WHO issued its initial ‘new virus’ alert on Jan 5th, so they shouldn’t have been unaware something new was on the loose. China didn’t have that luxury. The virus was new and unknown to them, a bad combination...
This China-bashing stuff borders on QANONland. It’s a novel virus that jumped species. Those always take time to decipher/detect...
Awesome!!! Those doubting the existence of a China defense squad get to see it in action.
OK, let's quickly pull apart your points. You are conceding that the Italian study is actually evidence that covid was there months beforehand. Now, logically, that rules out the fact that covid just appeared in China in December. Of course, we now know that it takes months for covid to build up to the point where it is filling up hospitals so that wasn't really in question. At least, it shouldn't have been.
But, let's go with your train of thought. So, covid was in Wuhan for months before it spiked. Your point is that its hard to notice that at first. Fair enough. However, once people go back and look at things in hindsight, the pattern becomes really obvious. That's something we have seen throughout the world.
If, once China and associated authorities realized that it was there, they would have been able to go back and see a typical viral spread pattern with a slow buildup up and then an explosion. Basic epidemiology. Once they saw that, if they had relayed that to the world, then medical authorities around the globe would have been thinking "OMG, its existed for a while. It might be here already." They would have been investigating and finding cases locally instead of telling their own doctors to ignore the cases they were seeing. End result would have been earlier shutdowns and countless (hundreds of thousands) of lives saved.
Instead, we got "no evidence of human to human transmission" and "it just showed up in December". That lulled the world to sleep during a critical time.
These were lies and cover ups.
I love how discussing this is QANON type stuff. Gotta discredit, right? Let's turn that around. The idea that the first cases in Wuhan were in December and then a few weeks later they had to build hospitals to house the sick and shut down the entire province is a complete fantasy. The world doesn't work like that. Its a fairy tale being told by an autocratic government to cover its own tracks.