OT: COVID-19 thread #4
Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:10 am
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AirLaVine8 wrote:South Australia is back out or lockdown tomorrow night at midnight, 3 days into a 6 day lockdown. We squashed and contained this cluster very quickly
cubd8 wrote:Is it racist to identify where this came from? I haven't read the previous threads/posts, and I clearly don't think it is racist to identify the origins, but I saw the last thread was closed because of this and was wondering why (again, not knowing what other posts/subjects were discussed).
Dresden wrote:"Deaths in every state of the country are higher than they would be in a normal year, according to an analysis of estimates from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention.
The data show how the coronavirus pandemic, which is peaking in many states, is bringing with it unusual patterns of death, higher than the official totals of deaths that have been directly linked to the virus.
Deaths nationwide were 18 percent higher than normal from March 15 to Nov. 7. Altogether, the analysis shows that 326,000 more people than normal have died in the United States during that period, a number that may be an undercount since recent death statistics are still being updated."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
jmajew wrote:Dresden wrote:"Deaths in every state of the country are higher than they would be in a normal year, according to an analysis of estimates from the Center for Disease Control and Prevention.
The data show how the coronavirus pandemic, which is peaking in many states, is bringing with it unusual patterns of death, higher than the official totals of deaths that have been directly linked to the virus.
Deaths nationwide were 18 percent higher than normal from March 15 to Nov. 7. Altogether, the analysis shows that 326,000 more people than normal have died in the United States during that period, a number that may be an undercount since recent death statistics are still being updated."
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/05/05/us/coronavirus-death-toll-us.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
This is something I've been extremely curious about. I understand deaths will be higher because of COVID but what I've always wondered is are we pulling ahead deaths from the elderly or are we causing more deaths because less people are going to the Doctor and do the regular things that help reduce deaths.
I don't think that data will ever be able to be quantified. If all we are doing is pulling deaths forward because the elderly are dying sooner because of COVID you would think once their is a vaccine we would see deaths in the US drop below the historical norms. I think that data 4 years from now will be the tell tale sign of how deadly COVID has actually been. I don't think there is any way to know for sure now.
cubd8 wrote:Is it racist to identify where this came from? I haven't read the previous threads/posts, and I clearly don't think it is racist to identify the origins, but I saw the last thread was closed because of this and was wondering why (again, not knowing what other posts/subjects were discussed).
Wingy wrote:cubd8 wrote:Is it racist to identify where this came from? I haven't read the previous threads/posts, and I clearly don't think it is racist to identify the origins, but I saw the last thread was closed because of this and was wondering why (again, not knowing what other posts/subjects were discussed).
The other thread was closed for the same reason all threads get closed here.
It reached 100 pages.
But - yes, it’s racist.
If a virus started in say, the swamps of Florida, you can be damn certain the president wouldn’t be constantly lambasting Floridians about the Florida virus. Or do you really think he’d call it that?
Wingy wrote:The other thread was closed for the same reason all threads get closed here.
It reached 100 pages.
But - yes, it’s racist.
If a virus started in say, the swamps of Florida, you can be damn certain the president wouldn’t be constantly lambasting Floridians about the Florida virus. Or do you really think he’d call it that?
cubd8 wrote:Is it racist to identify where this came from? I haven't read the previous threads/posts, and I clearly don't think it is racist to identify the origins, but I saw the last thread was closed because of this and was wondering why (again, not knowing what other posts/subjects were discussed).
DuckIII wrote:Wingy wrote:cubd8 wrote:Is it racist to identify where this came from? I haven't read the previous threads/posts, and I clearly don't think it is racist to identify the origins, but I saw the last thread was closed because of this and was wondering why (again, not knowing what other posts/subjects were discussed).
The other thread was closed for the same reason all threads get closed here.
It reached 100 pages.
But - yes, it’s racist.
If a virus started in say, the swamps of Florida, you can be damn certain the president wouldn’t be constantly lambasting Floridians about the Florida virus. Or do you really think he’d call it that?
FLOVIDA?
coldfish wrote:The origins issue with covid is interesting. It used to be relatively common to name diseases based on their origin. Spanish Flu (which was probably from Kansas and mutated to be deadly in troop depots in England), Russian Flu, Hong Kong Flu, etc. Calling this Wuhan Flu would be following precedent. Unfortunately people have used this as an excuse to attack asians when they had absolutely nothing to do with the origins. That's not even marginally OK.
OTOH, the rush to discount origin stories has clouded over how this emerged. I'm not sure if its been covered here but there is evidence of community spread of covid all over the world in December which shouldn't be possible based on China's official story. Harvard did an analysis and found significant evidence that covid was raging in Wuhan months before China admitted it existed. Beyond that, there are lots of stories of the Chinese communist party covering up data, punishing whistleblowers, etc. China's handling of this has crushed the entire planet.
Because we can't talk about this due to concerns about racism, I think we are doomed to repeat this whole thing. We aren't going to put fixes in place to stop this kind of situation from recurring and spreading globally.
coldfish wrote:The origins issue with covid is interesting. It used to be relatively common to name diseases based on their origin. Spanish Flu (which was probably from Kansas and mutated to be deadly in troop depots in England), Russian Flu, Hong Kong Flu, etc. Calling this Wuhan Flu would be following precedent. Unfortunately people have used this as an excuse to attack asians when they had absolutely nothing to do with the origins. That's not even marginally OK.
OTOH, the rush to discount origin stories has clouded over how this emerged. I'm not sure if its been covered here but there is evidence of community spread of covid all over the world in December which shouldn't be possible based on China's official story. Harvard did an analysis and found significant evidence that covid was raging in Wuhan months before China admitted it existed. Beyond that, there are lots of stories of the Chinese communist party covering up data, punishing whistleblowers, etc. China's handling of this has crushed the entire planet.
Because we can't talk about this due to concerns about racism, I think we are doomed to repeat this whole thing. We aren't going to put fixes in place to stop this kind of situation from recurring and spreading globally.
Wingy wrote:coldfish wrote:The origins issue with covid is interesting. It used to be relatively common to name diseases based on their origin. Spanish Flu (which was probably from Kansas and mutated to be deadly in troop depots in England), Russian Flu, Hong Kong Flu, etc. Calling this Wuhan Flu would be following precedent. Unfortunately people have used this as an excuse to attack asians when they had absolutely nothing to do with the origins. That's not even marginally OK.
OTOH, the rush to discount origin stories has clouded over how this emerged. I'm not sure if its been covered here but there is evidence of community spread of covid all over the world in December which shouldn't be possible based on China's official story. Harvard did an analysis and found significant evidence that covid was raging in Wuhan months before China admitted it existed. Beyond that, there are lots of stories of the Chinese communist party covering up data, punishing whistleblowers, etc. China's handling of this has crushed the entire planet.
Because we can't talk about this due to concerns about racism, I think we are doomed to repeat this whole thing. We aren't going to put fixes in place to stop this kind of situation from recurring and spreading globally.
For once, I think your take is way off.
There’s a huge difference in how our “leader” uses it lazily in press conferences ...which only inspires xenophobia, and racism - and serious inquiry calling out facts, and holes in the story.
The latter requires real, serious leadership that coordinates with a surely willing international community. No one’s against that, nor will reasonably call it racist if sticking to the known facts (or “facts”).
Wingy wrote:coldfish wrote:The origins issue with covid is interesting. It used to be relatively common to name diseases based on their origin. Spanish Flu (which was probably from Kansas and mutated to be deadly in troop depots in England), Russian Flu, Hong Kong Flu, etc. Calling this Wuhan Flu would be following precedent. Unfortunately people have used this as an excuse to attack asians when they had absolutely nothing to do with the origins. That's not even marginally OK.
OTOH, the rush to discount origin stories has clouded over how this emerged. I'm not sure if its been covered here but there is evidence of community spread of covid all over the world in December which shouldn't be possible based on China's official story. Harvard did an analysis and found significant evidence that covid was raging in Wuhan months before China admitted it existed. Beyond that, there are lots of stories of the Chinese communist party covering up data, punishing whistleblowers, etc. China's handling of this has crushed the entire planet.
Because we can't talk about this due to concerns about racism, I think we are doomed to repeat this whole thing. We aren't going to put fixes in place to stop this kind of situation from recurring and spreading globally.
For once, I think your take is way off.
There’s a huge difference in how our “leader” uses it lazily in press conferences ...which only inspires xenophobia, and racism - and serious inquiry calling out facts, and holes in the story.
The latter requires real, serious leadership that coordinates with a surely willing international community. No one’s against that, nor will reasonably call it racist if sticking to the known facts (or “facts”).
coldfish wrote:The origins issue with covid is interesting. It used to be relatively common to name diseases based on their origin. Spanish Flu (which was probably from Kansas and mutated to be deadly in troop depots in England), Russian Flu, Hong Kong Flu, etc. Calling this Wuhan Flu would be following precedent. Unfortunately people have used this as an excuse to attack asians when they had absolutely nothing to do with the origins. That's not even marginally OK.
OTOH, the rush to discount origin stories has clouded over how this emerged. I'm not sure if its been covered here but there is evidence of community spread of covid all over the world in December which shouldn't be possible based on China's official story. Harvard did an analysis and found significant evidence that covid was raging in Wuhan months before China admitted it existed. Beyond that, there are lots of stories of the Chinese communist party covering up data, punishing whistleblowers, etc. China's handling of this has crushed the entire planet.
Because we can't talk about this due to concerns about racism, I think we are doomed to repeat this whole thing. We aren't going to put fixes in place to stop this kind of situation from recurring and spreading globally.