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Re: The Marko Simonovic season thread 

Post#101 » by MrTwister » Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:47 pm

FWIW, i dont think its fair to compare Simonovic and Markannen since expectations from Markannen was much higher than Simonovic will ever be. I dont think he met those expectations and thats why his future in Bulls is murky. Simonovic is coming with significantly lower pricetag (in year where Bulls need as many cap space they can free to add some talent to compete) with potential to be what Lauri now essentially is, a bench stretch big.

Vucevic had some quick interview few weeks ago for local TV via Zoom, where he essentially said that he expects Simonovic to arrive to Chicago after his season is done and that he will try to help him settle in for what i understood would be an evaluation period for him with coaches & franchise decision makers whether he will be coming over next season or not. He sounded optimistic about his chances to be Bull next season but take it with grain of salt.

Regarding some comments about reason for AK taking him in 2nd round, is probably strong ties he has from his Denver days with euro power agent Misko Raznatovic who is in Europe basically if you somehow combined powers of Rich Paul and Bill Duffy in NBA environment. He funneled some talent from Mega Leks to Denver whether through summer league rosters or late round fliers via draft & stash so they can raise their profile for euro market. Nuggets developed one of the best euro scouting networks during his tenure.
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Re: The Marko Simonovic season thread 

Post#102 » by dougthonus » Fri Apr 30, 2021 1:29 pm

CoreyVillains wrote:Asked a very trusted source what he thinks about Marko and he isn't optimistic. Thinks any Bulls fan that believes he can be a Lauri replacement is very misguided. The league he plays in is very down this year talent wise. Also told me a few other things about why AK may have drafted him that aren't exactly related to his on court play but can't go into it.


Regardless of any inside sources, going into this draft, no one thought anything of Simonovic, and the Bulls absolutely needed to use their 2nd rounder on whatever draft/stash player could possibly be available because they had no roster spots.

Without knowing anything at all except the context of the situation (Simonovic not being on anyone's mock, Bulls basically forced into taking a European), my assumption is whomever they draft has very little chance of ever making it in the NBA.
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Re: The Marko Simonovic season thread 

Post#103 » by CobyWhite0 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:35 pm

dougthonus wrote:
CoreyVillains wrote:Asked a very trusted source what he thinks about Marko and he isn't optimistic. Thinks any Bulls fan that believes he can be a Lauri replacement is very misguided. The league he plays in is very down this year talent wise. Also told me a few other things about why AK may have drafted him that aren't exactly related to his on court play but can't go into it.


Regardless of any inside sources, going into this draft, no one thought anything of Simonovic, and the Bulls absolutely needed to use their 2nd rounder on whatever draft/stash player could possibly be available because they had no roster spots.

Without knowing anything at all except the context of the situation (Simonovic not being on anyone's mock, Bulls basically forced into taking a European), my assumption is whomever they draft has very little chance of ever making it in the NBA.


Marko was on two mocks that pop up on the first page of a google search for 2020 mock drafts - I found one that had him going 58, and one that had him 'on the bubble' of the 2nd round - they ranked 110 players, and Marko was 73rd. So he wasn't a complete unknown, but definitely he was as close to a complete unknown as one can be.

But the one draft that had him going 58 was to Philly, had him going there for the exact reason you stated that the Bulls were interested:

The Philadelphia 76ers are not going to be able to offer a roster spot to every player they draft, so they likely will be evaluating draft-and-stash prospects.

And the mock that had Marko going 58th to Philly had the Bulls taking a different draft-and-stash Euro, because as you pointed out, they didn't really have a choice.
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Re: The Marko Simonovic season thread 

Post#104 » by Little Nathan » Sat May 1, 2021 6:17 pm

There are lots of second round picks on 2-ways out there. The Bulls absolutely could’ve done that with anyone in that range. They were not forced to draft and stash.
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Re: The Marko Simonovic season thread 

Post#105 » by CobyWhite0 » Sat May 1, 2021 9:17 pm

Little Nathan wrote:There are lots of second round picks on 2-ways out there. The Bulls absolutely could’ve done that with anyone in that range. They were not forced to draft and stash.


And almost all of those players were taken in the 50-60 range. Players taken in the top half of the 2nd round almost always get NBA contracts, because they have better options to make more money than they would on a 2-way contract.

A team has to make a Required Tender to a 2nd-round pick (at least one season at the minimum salary). Most players in the top-50 can sign with a different team for the mimimum instead of signing a 2-way deal.

But when you draft a player already under contract to an overseas team, you don't have to offer the Required Tender until that players tells you he is ready to sign a contract.

It's quite rare for a top-50 pick to sign a 2-way deal - so rare that it sent shock waves around the league's financial geeks when the previous #44 pick (Bol Bol) signed a two-way contract.
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Re: The Marko Simonovic season thread 

Post#106 » by Little Nathan » Sun May 2, 2021 8:42 am

CobyWhite0 wrote:And almost all of those players were taken in the 50-60 range. Players taken in the top half of the 2nd round almost always get NBA contracts, because they have better options to make more money than they would on a 2-way contract.


I mean, it's not like the 44th pick is far from the 50s. There are 2 top 40 picks currently on 2-ways (Tyler Bey (#36) and Saben Lee (#38)). I'm not saying that every player in that range would've happily taken a two-way, but it's definitely possible to not go draft-and-stash there.
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Re: The Marko Simonovic season thread 

Post#107 » by samwana » Thu May 6, 2021 5:37 am

GoBlue72391 wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:
GoBlue72391 wrote:And I think you forgot Dalibor Bagaric who revolutionized the game.


I don’t know how I could overlook him. Bags! On,y player with more impact was Kornel David.

That's disrespectful to Martynas Andriuskevicius (I spelled that without looking it up).
At least he made the news because he got in a fight in the dleague iirc

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