TheJordanRule wrote:dougthonus wrote:TheJordanRule wrote:Aim higher at which player? Lonzo is available. I don't see a Donovan Mitchell or Jamal Murray equivalent widely available out there on the open market.
He's available at a price that likely vastly exceeds his talent and only if we shed players that are of similar caliber.
You tellin' me there's a much better upgrade out there that we're ignoring? I would love to have a better option.
No. I'm telling you that it is 50/50 whether Ball is an upgrade at all, and if he is an upgrade then it isn't a meaningful one, particularly based on the pricetag and other players you would need to let go to sign him.
So who's your alternative? Bring up the big name equivalent to Mitchell or Murray, who also happens to be available. I'll cheer for that move transpiring same as you.
I'm not convinced Ball improves this team at all compared to the cost of letting Sato/Lauri go and paying him enough that you can't chase anyone in 2022 FA.
And what's with this "similar caliber" stuff? Coby is a tier below Lonzo right now and for the next 2-3 years minimum. Your view seems to be from the 19-20 season. Last summer, Lonzo and Coby were basically even. Lonzo couldn't score and Coby couldn't defend. The situation has changed. Lonzo's brought his game up to be a legit two way starter on the floor. Lonzo can pass and limit turnovers. Coby can't do either of those things. Lonzo can play good defense. Coby can't and probably never will. And this year, the most crucial change happened-- Lonzo's scoring on greater efficiency, with a slightly better field goal percentage and a much better three ball.
I agree that Lonzo is better than Coby defensively. Offensively, I'm not really sure that's true. At the cost both in dollars and renouncing other players, I don't think the overall roster is upgraded by acquiring him in the scenarios that I see as reasonable.
You may tell me that you expect Coby, a former #6 pick in the NBA draft, to eventually catch up to Lonzo and surpass him. That's a wonderful expectation. Coby, with his straight line speed and potential as a scorer, is an impressive prospective. But Vooch is 30. Do do we really have time to wait around and see if Coby gets it together?
In the end, I think I just feel a lot less confident in Lonzo than you. Theoretically, I agree with why the Bulls would consider a win now move. I just don't think Lonzo is a win now move. I don't think the team is any better _at all_ after signing him and renouncing Lauri/Sato to do so.