Wingy wrote:dice wrote:my plan was/is to trade lavine for as many young assets/picks you can find rather than overpaying him soon
Sounds like you're hoping for the very unlikely outcome of one, or more of those picks becoming as good as Zach Lavine, and Nik Vucevic. Having them turn out better than those guys becomes even more unlikely. Plus they need to stay healthy (hello, Derrick Rose...Grant Hill...Penny Hardaway, etc.)
if i don't land i superstar, then i don't CARE whether they become as good as lavine or vucevic. having them become as good as lavine and vucevic and then having to pay them a lot of money is not an appealing outcome. now, if i end up paying vucevic a bit LESS than he's worth (which is probably the case now), it's fine. but if i have to max out lavine, no thank you
and this is why the standard thought process of "better to overpay a bit than lose for nothing" is nonsense. because you're only losing a guy "for nothing" if losing him doesn't result in cap space
having a rookie, for example, who well outplays his contract but isn't quite as good as nikola vucevic, is a better asset than nikola vucevic!
Then the next idea for this plan becomes flipping these young asset/picks for a superstar, right? Also extremely unlikely because we are not LA, Miami, or even Brooklyn. The superstars dictate where they go. Why are they choosing a much worse version of this team, and franchise?
mostly true, but having good young non-superstars is still a more appealing destination than going to play for a mediocre team featuring 2 borderline all-stars
dice wrote:make quality moves. that's always the plan. trade bad value for good value. if you can't find good value, sign players to short-term "prove it" deals. rinse and repeat until you strike gold, or if you get to the point where the raptors were for several years pre-kawhi, being a fringe contender ain't a bad place to be
Quality moves and all the stuff you said in the first part there. Why can't that be done from the position we're in now? We have a FO with an eye for NBA talent. Continuing to tinker from where we are right now can land us in that Raptors-zone where you're looking for one lucky move, or pick to get you over the hump. Red L pointed out the Jazz as a great example of slowly building up over time from a similar position as us.
both the raptors and jazz put themselves in good position with quality drafting. donovan mitchell is only making a few mil a year. that will change soon. gobert gets a big pay jump next season as well. their moment in the sun is likely to be short-lived
but anyway, AK just dealt away 2 opportunities to make that kind of great value draft pick (donovan mitchell). it's much harder to find late bloomer great value like...
AK appears to have just made the kind of move that hits on both things you're suggesting. Throwing out what has been garbage to us for an upside player in TBJ. Of course there's no guarantees on TBJ, but that's the exact sort of "gold" opportunity we're hoping to strike. While also grabbing Theis who isn't shiny whatsoever, but just plays winning ball. We had no depth, now suddenly we have minutes battles throughout. I'm sure AK will continue to improve the roster up, and down so we get better and better. No more try hard plucky Arcidiaconos. No more Felicios.
that's all well and good
arci is still a good signing by the way given that he makes very little and is at least a competent nba player