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Red8911 wrote:

HomoSapien wrote:If the Coby White we saw at the end of the season is the Coby White we'll see next season, then he's the best option.

I agree Coby is actually a really good fit with this starting lineup. That’s why I think Derozen would be someone to target, not a traditional PG. Vuc, Zach, and Derozen would control the game and Coby could focus on his strengths.

Demar DeRozan quietly averaged 7assists a game for the Spurs while taking care of the ball-handling duties. He'd fit nicely with Coby, Zach and Vooch.

Michael Jackson wrote:

dice wrote:anybody but schroeder

I’m on this list. Anyone but him. Plus he will want 4/100... I’d rather roll the dice on Ball at that money even if it fails horribly.

at least with lonzo you know you'll get good D and a competent floor game

dice wrote:

Michael Jackson wrote:

dice wrote:anybody but schroeder

I’m on this list. Anyone but him. Plus he will want 4/100... I’d rather roll the dice on Ball at that money even if it fails horribly.

at least with lonzo you know you'll get good D and a competent floor game

Lonzo scares me at near 25mil per season, considering his inability to stay healthy. Additionally, he has not improved any team that he has been on.

JimmyJammer wrote:

Red8911 wrote:

HomoSapien wrote:If the Coby White we saw at the end of the season is the Coby White we'll see next season, then he's the best option.

I agree Coby is actually a really good fit with this starting lineup. That’s why I think Derozen would be someone to target, not a traditional PG. Vuc, Zach, and Derozen would control the game and Coby could focus on his strengths.

Demar DeRozan quietly averaged 7assists a game for the Spurs while taking care of the ball-handling duties. He'd fit nicely with Coby, Zach and Vooch.

I was interested in Derozan prior to the Vuc trade, but now I'm not so sure. I still think he could be a bargain signing and that he's become underrated, but with Vooc and Zach, I would love to see them surrounded by elite scorers and spacers. DeRozan is at his best in the mid-range, and that may get in the way of Zach and Vuc to an extent.

SalmonsSuperfan wrote:

HomoSapien wrote:If the Coby White we saw at the end of the season is the Coby White we'll see next season, then he's the best option.

This is my thinking too...we could spend 20some mil a year for lonzo or spend it on a proper 3/4. Suppose we’ll see if the front office has faith in Coby to, not only play like he did to finish the year, but to improve his game further. Seems plausible but I still think this team needs a playmaker, it just doesn’t need to be at the 1 spot necessarily.

I tend to agree. By the end of the season, I went from thinking PG was our biggest issue to thinking the 3 was.

PWill and Valentine obviously left a lot to be desired. Hopefully Williams keeps improving, but upgrading Valentine alone will help (and maybe Troy Brown is part of the solution).

CaPiTanAK wrote:Give me Lonzo Ball at 22-26 mil per year.

Holy ****, not at that price.

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HomoSapien wrote:

SalmonsSuperfan wrote:

HomoSapien wrote:If the Coby White we saw at the end of the season is the Coby White we'll see next season, then he's the best option.

This is my thinking too...we could spend 20some mil a year for lonzo or spend it on a proper 3/4. Suppose we’ll see if the front office has faith in Coby to, not only play like he did to finish the year, but to improve his game further. Seems plausible but I still think this team needs a playmaker, it just doesn’t need to be at the 1 spot necessarily.

I tend to agree. By the end of the season, I went from thinking PG was our biggest issue to thinking the 3 was.

PWill and Valentine obviously left a lot to be desired. Hopefully Williams keeps improving, but upgrading Valentine alone will help (and maybe Troy Brown is part of the solution).

I would love nothing more then for Coby to be the guy. But not sure you can go into next year with the hope his small sample size is the norm going forward.

dougthonus wrote:Said it before Aminu + Arci for Rubio in a trade, throw in some cash if need be. Timberwolves don't need Rubio and save 10M in cash if we send money. Bulls get Rubio whom only has one year left on his deal and can maintain their position to enter next off season with LaVine, Vuc, Pat, Coby, and 42M in cap room to sign a star to a 10 year vet max with Beal/Kawhi potentially on the market and possibly looking for better teammates depending what happens in the playoffs for the Clips, and certainly Beal loves Donovan and the Wiz are unlikely to be on an upward trajectory.

That's a doable trade that makes sense for the Bulls and Wolves. The shooting % is horrid but, the Bulls don't really need him for that

jump wrote:Micic.

I'd absolutely love for the Bulls to pick up the rights to Micic from the Thunder. But what would that take trade wise? It may depend on where the Thunder end up picking and who they are targeting. If they draft Suggs or Cade they might view Micic as expendable. And with 2 First Round and 3 Second Round picks they might be in a good position to deal.

What about John Wall. Proved that he was healthy again, and they clearly sat him to help Houston's Tank effort?

Reallllly hope PWill turns out better than Tyrese Haliburton.

Red8911 wrote:

HomoSapien wrote:If the Coby White we saw at the end of the season is the Coby White we'll see next season, then he's the best option.

I agree Coby is actually a really good fit with this starting lineup. That’s why I think Derozen would be someone to target, not a traditional PG. Vuc, Zach, and Derozen would control the game and Coby could focus on his strengths.

I love the idea of a point-forward. In fact I think Ball could play that role really well for us. The problem with Coby, IMO, is that his defense isn't what we need from a guard on the floor next to Zach. I think we'd be awful defensively with both White and Derozen out there. If we went the Derozen route, I'd try TBJ out there as the other guard, but then we are suspect from 3.

Please, for the love of god, stop suggesting Demar. That's a total Knicks move and not something we should be remotely interested in if we are trying to build a modern, successful basketball team.

The era of isolation mid-range scorers with no 3 ball or defense passed us by a long time ago. It should stay dead.

if there's not a huge market for him, derozan on a short deal is a better play than a long-term splurge on lonzo imo

coby (or sato, or another shooter who's nominally playing pg) + zach + williams + vuc lets you have four shooters on the floor around derozan, so spacing should not be an issue. given where we're at post-vucevic trade, i would rather take a gamble on an atypical player with high-end talent than a role player like lonzo who's unlikely to significantly move the needle

Tetlak wrote:Please, for the love of god, stop suggesting Demar. That's a total Knicks move and not something we should be remotely interested in if we are trying to build a modern, successful basketball team.

The era of isolation mid-range scorers with no 3 ball or defense passed us by a long time ago. It should stay dead.

This over-simplifies it. I feel like ideally, you do want a guy who hits 3's and gets to the line. You can live with a guy who only does 1 of the two, and you can't have someone who does neither.

While DeRozan doesn't hit 3's, he does get to the line at one of the highest rates in the league, and hits 88% of his free throws.

Bulls were dead last in free-throw attempts per game. It's not only easy points, but getting other teams' players in foul trouble causing them to change up their rotations.

saying "DeRozan doesn't hit 3's so he has no value" is just not a good take. The assists and the free-throws make DeRozan valuable. Iso-scoring is also a skill, and is also lacking on this team. Some times plays don't work and you need someone who can create something on his own. DeRozan does that. And he does it well.

Tetlak wrote:Please, for the love of god, stop suggesting Demar. That's a total Knicks move and not something we should be remotely interested in if we are trying to build a modern, successful basketball team.

The era of isolation mid-range scorers with no 3 ball or defense passed us by a long time ago. It should stay dead.

Just from the starting lineup Zach,Coby, Vucevic, and Pwill all shoot 3s. Only P Will is shaky but he’s expected to get better. If 4 out of 5 players shoot 3s including the center then whats the problem with adding Derozen ?

He pretty much does everything else on offense.High IQ player that scores and shares the ball. His negatives are his lack of shooting 3s and the fact that he’s getting older but I still think he fits in perfectly on the bulls. If they can get him they should, that starting lineup would be awesome with adding Derozen and could turn into a top 4 team in the east.

Red8911 wrote:If 4 out of 5 players shoot 3s including the center then whats the problem with adding Derozen?

4 out of 5 players are negatives on defense, most of them pretty big ones too. Coby/Zach/DeRozan/Pat/Vuc just won’t be viable on defense. That’s my issue with that plan.

I actually don’t hate the fit offensively, but the defense will be too terrible.

dougthonus wrote:Said it before Aminu + Arci for Rubio in a trade, throw in some cash if need be. Timberwolves don't need Rubio and save 10M in cash if we send money. Bulls get Rubio whom only has one year left on his deal and can maintain their position to enter next off season with LaVine, Vuc, Pat, Coby, and 42M in cap room to sign a star to a 10 year vet max with Beal/Kawhi potentially on the market and possibly looking for better teammates depending what happens in the playoffs for the Clips, and certainly Beal loves Donovan and the Wiz are unlikely to be on an upward trajectory.

Yeah, though it’s super unsatisfying, a stopgap solution like Rubio makes a lot of sense this offseason. Assuming the Bulls don’t jump into the top 4 this offseason, next offseason they can have a ton of cap space + their own draft pick to work with. I probably prefer doing that to spending $20M+ on Lonzo now.

Little Nathan wrote:

Red8911 wrote:If 4 out of 5 players shoot 3s including the center then whats the problem with adding Derozen?

4 out of 5 players are negatives on defense, most of them pretty big ones too. Coby/Zach/DeRozan/Pat/Vuc just won’t be viable on defense. That’s my issue with that plan.

I actually don’t hate the fit offensively, but the defense will be too terrible.

As opposed to what we have now, in which there is no strength whatsoever at either end of the floor... We should probably take the upgrade if we can. Beggars cannot be choosers. We're so bad that we couldn't even make the play in, pipe dreaming about championship roster construction. Take the impact players first.

Guys - you have to understand, when Demar doesn't have the ball, he's not going to be useful. What we need is a low usage, high efficiency offensive player who is capable of creating something if needed. That is not Demar AT ALL.

You never take the ball away from Zach Lavine to give it to Demar Derozan. That's crazy.

And then yes - obviously the defense is horrific as has been pointed out.

As our roster is currently constructed, and will be constructed moving forward (because we committed to this with Vuc), we will be running a lot of offense through Vuc either as an offensive hub out of the high pnr, or in the post.

There really isn't room for Demar on this team. It is imperative that the player we choose is as much as a threat off ball as on ball. Like there's literally no player we can get that will be taking the ball away from Zach and Vuc aside from Kawhi, unless there is a miracle trade out there.

And for the record, I don't believe Lonzo can do the requisite amount of 3rd option level on ball creation to justify giving him a big payday. He is a 3 and D ball mover.

There is no perfect option - the closest are Lowry and Conley, but unless you can get them on 1 year deals, it's not worth ruining your future flexibility.