NBA Trade Thread # 4

[Bulls2021]

i'm entering a dark place where i think i might be willing to include pwill in a trade for harrison barnes. looking at the pf options available to us, i just don't think there's much value in adding a guy who can create his own shot but can't shoot threes to the starting lineup, which makes me pretty cool on siakam and grant. but seeing the amount of space javonte gets...if you replace him with a legit threat from three without sacrificing too much defense, it could really round out that starting unit well.

this is what success does to a man. i'm on tilt.

it's probably more prudent to just use some combination of coby/javonte/tbj/djj/portland 1st to get the best shooting specialist + best PF defender you can get. my semi-realistic idealized version is landing joe ingles and brandon clarke for coby/javonte/tbj and filler, but two players in that generalized mold should address our two biggest weaknesses

Barnes would be literally perfect on this team. I would definitely include PWill.

[Wingy]

i'm entering a dark place where i think i might be willing to include pwill in a trade for harrison barnes. looking at the pf options available to us, i just don't think there's much value in adding a guy who can create his own shot but can't shoot threes to the starting lineup, which makes me pretty cool on siakam and grant. but seeing the amount of space javonte gets...if you replace him with a legit threat from three without sacrificing too much defense, it could really round out that starting unit well.

this is what success does to a man. i'm on tilt.

it's probably more prudent to just use some combination of coby/javonte/tbj/djj/portland 1st to get the best shooting specialist + best PF defender you can get. my semi-realistic idealized version is landing joe ingles and brandon clarke for coby/javonte/tbj and filler, but two players in that generalized mold should address our two biggest weaknesses

Barnes would be literally perfect on this team. I would definitely include PWill.

No dark place required. I take Barnes 10/10 over Wood/Grant.

Barnes is a realistic upside version of what we hope PWill will become IMO. He’s a proven title team starter, efficient, and isn’t ball dominant (last I checked).

Not sure how his defense is now, but I recall him looking solid years ago. An article sticks w/me that came out as the Warriors were emerging. Basically before small ball was all the rage, and before everyone tried to copy the Warriors. It called out how it worked because Dray and Barnes could both switch, and handle traditional bigs down low. I don’t see how that ability weakens as you age, and get stronger.

I’d love to get Barnes, and would definitely trade PWill for him.

[bad knees]

Here's an article from the end of last season talking about Barnes. Basically, he has gotten more efficient on offense and continues to provide good, but not great, defense. And he is a great locker room guy. Looking at his stats so far this year, it looks like the trends identified in the article have continued. I agree, he is the perfect candidate. He solves both our PF and our 3 pt shooting issues. I would definitely trade PWill, Coby, TBJ (for salary matching) plus the POR pick. Would even be willing to take back one of their vet min players to help with money (I think this would be possible without us going into the lux tax).

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/kings-grades-harrison-barnes-reinvents-himself-ninth-nba-season

[Bulls2021]

Here's an article from the end of last season talking about Barnes. Basically, he has gotten more efficient on offense and continues to provide good, but not great, defense. And he is a great locker room guy. Looking at his stats so far this year, it looks like the trends identified in the article have continued. I agree, he is the perfect candidate. He solves both our PF and our 3 pt shooting issues. I would definitely trade PWill, Coby, TBJ (for salary matching) plus the POR pick. Would even be willing to take back one of their vet min players to help with money (I think this would be possible without us going into the lux tax).

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/kings-grades-harrison-barnes-reinvents-himself-ninth-nba-season

Yep, agreed. Love the Barnes for offensively. I'd still be fine with Grant as well. He has the size and length to defend Durant/Giannis better than Barnes would, imo.

[bad knees]

Here's an article from the end of last season talking about Barnes. Basically, he has gotten more efficient on offense and continues to provide good, but not great, defense. And he is a great locker room guy. Looking at his stats so far this year, it looks like the trends identified in the article have continued. I agree, he is the perfect candidate. He solves both our PF and our 3 pt shooting issues. I would definitely trade PWill, Coby, TBJ (for salary matching) plus the POR pick. Would even be willing to take back one of their vet min players to help with money (I think this would be possible without us going into the lux tax).

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/kings/kings-grades-harrison-barnes-reinvents-himself-ninth-nba-season

Yep, agreed. Love the Barnes for offensively. I'd still be fine with Grant as well. He has the size and length to defend Durant/Giannis better than Barnes would, imo.

Grant would be great too. I just wonder whether he would want the role that we would offer, and if not, how he would play if he were forced to take that role. On the Bulls, he would 4th/5th option - an important role player but a role player nonetheless. He left exactly that role in DEN to be the #1 guy on a bad team in DET. I have trouble seeing him wanting to revert back. My gut says he wants to be Zach, not a member of Zach/DDR/Vuc's supporting cast.

[Tetlak]

Grant is too much of a volume scorer for us. He's a bigger name, but a worse fit.

Barnes definitely is the guy. Only attempts 12 shots a game, super efficient, and more versatile than Grant. He's also 2 inches bigger, heavier, and stronger than Grant.

[Bulls2021]

Grant is too much of a volume scorer for us. He's a bigger name, but a worse fit.

Barnes definitely is the guy. Only attempts 12 shots a game, super efficient, and more versatile than Grant. He's also 2 inches bigger, heavier, and stronger than Grant.

Isnt Grant 6'8 with a 7'3 wingspan? Barnes is listed as 6'8 with a 6'11 wingspan. Grant just looks bigger based on the eye test. Definitely has the longer arms.

[Bulls619sd]

I’m on the Grant bandwagon, only for the right price!

I’m not sure why everybody wants to get rid of all our prospects when their values low right now. I think we can get it done for DDJ, Brown, fillers And a 1rd pick.Then we can use the TPE and veteran exceptions to fill out the roster. Artūras Has worked with him and his agent before he’s played for us and his uncle played for us. We’ve been rumored for a long time now, and I think this is why Artūras Held out for a while with Lauri To get assets. This has been in the works for a while IMO

[Muzbar]

I’m on the Grant bandwagon, only for the right price!

I’m not sure why everybody wants to get rid of all our prospects when their values low right now. I think we can get it done for DDJ, Brown, fillers And a 1rd pick.Then we can use the TPE and veteran exceptions to fill out the roster. Artūras Has worked with him and his agent before he’s played for us and his uncle played for us. We’ve been rumored for a long time now, and I think this is why Artūras Held out for a while with Lauri To get assets. This has been in the works for a while IMO

Jerami has never played for the Bulls.

His brother Jerian has though.

[BullChit]

I’m on the Grant bandwagon, only for the right price!

I’m not sure why everybody wants to get rid of all our prospects when their values low right now. I think we can get it done for DDJ, Brown, fillers And a 1rd pick.Then we can use the TPE and veteran exceptions to fill out the roster. Artūras Has worked with him and his agent before he’s played for us and his uncle played for us. We’ve been rumored for a long time now, and I think this is why Artūras Held out for a while with Lauri To get assets. This has been in the works for a while IMO

Jerami has never played for the Bulls.

His brother Jerian has though.

If GarPax were still in charge we would all want Jerami and they would announce the resigning of Jerian...

[CaPiTanAK]

Thank god that most of you are not running this team. If so, this team would soon be the new NBA basement with Billy King Jr rebuilding other teams.

We're not trading both Pwill and a first rounder for Harrison Barnes. That's not happening.

I would entertain Derrick Jones Jr, Coby White, salary fillers, and a first rounder for Harrison Barnes.

The Kings are entertaining tearing it down, in order to properly rebuild their team.

[sco]

Thank god that most of you are not running this team. If so, this team would soon be the new NBA basement with Billy King Jr rebuilding other teams.

We're not trading both Pwill and a first rounder for Harrison Barnes. That's not happening.

I would entertain Derrick Jones Jr, Coby White, salary fillers, and a first rounder for Harrison Barnes.

The Kings are entertaining tearing it down, in order to properly rebuild their team.

I hear you, but no way does that deal get done given POR's 1st. That said, Sacto reminds me of Minny when they drafted PG's in 3 straight drafts. They really need to sell high on at least one of Fox or Hali to move forward. They'll need to make that move before they worry about Barnes. We might be better off getting a guys like Harkless and Len on the cheap.

[sco]

Given that Thad is asking out of SA, I hope he stays west. Dude could really help most playoff teams in the east.

Maybe we could work a 3 way deal with POR. Thad to POR, Covingtion to US, POR's pick back to POR and some subset of Johnson, White, Brown, Bradley back to SA.

[CaPiTanAK]

Thank god that most of you are not running this team. If so, this team would soon be the new NBA basement with Billy King Jr rebuilding other teams.

We're not trading both Pwill and a first rounder for Harrison Barnes. That's not happening.

I would entertain Derrick Jones Jr, Coby White, salary fillers, and a first rounder for Harrison Barnes.

The Kings are entertaining tearing it down, in order to properly rebuild their team.

I hear you, but no way does that deal get done given POR's 1st. That said, Sacto reminds me of Minny when they drafted PG's in 3 straight drafts. They really need to sell high on at least one of Fox or Hali to move forward. They'll need to make that move before they worry about Barnes. We might be better off getting a guys like Harkless and Len on the cheap.

If it needed be, I would offer both the Portland protected first rounder and our own first rounder this year to get back a player who can play now. This team at this moment doesn’t have a place for first rounders for the next 2-3 seasons.

[sco]

Thank god that most of you are not running this team. If so, this team would soon be the new NBA basement with Billy King Jr rebuilding other teams.

We're not trading both Pwill and a first rounder for Harrison Barnes. That's not happening.

I would entertain Derrick Jones Jr, Coby White, salary fillers, and a first rounder for Harrison Barnes.

The Kings are entertaining tearing it down, in order to properly rebuild their team.

I hear you, but no way does that deal get done given POR's 1st. That said, Sacto reminds me of Minny when they drafted PG's in 3 straight drafts. They really need to sell high on at least one of Fox or Hali to move forward. They'll need to make that move before they worry about Barnes. We might be better off getting a guys like Harkless and Len on the cheap.

If it needed be, I would offer both the Portland protected first rounder and our own first rounder this year to get back a player who can play now. This team at this moment doesn’t have a place for first rounders for the next 2-3 seasons.

We can't trade our pick during the season.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Wonder if Dort could be available, perfect fit at the 4.

Dort, Favors to Chicago

White, DJJ, Portland 2021 1st to OKC

OKC gets the better frontcourt player and saves money next year, while doing what they love which is getting another draft pick.

I think this only kind of works if Coby raises his trade value a decent value, to what it was before the injury, which was a pick in the 15-20 range.

Ball, Ayo
Lavine, Caruso
Demar, TBJ
Dort, Pat Williams, Favors
Vucevic, Favors, Bradley

Dort and hopefully a healthy Pat can defend the big wings of the East in the playoffs. Similar to what the team is doing to opposing guards with Ball and Caruso, make their nights tough.

[Bulls2021]

Thank god that most of you are not running this team. If so, this team would soon be the new NBA basement with Billy King Jr rebuilding other teams.

We're not trading both Pwill and a first rounder for Harrison Barnes. That's not happening.

I would entertain Derrick Jones Jr, Coby White, salary fillers, and a first rounder for Harrison Barnes.

The Kings are entertaining tearing it down, in order to properly rebuild their team.

I hear you, but no way does that deal get done given POR's 1st. That said, Sacto reminds me of Minny when they drafted PG's in 3 straight drafts. They really need to sell high on at least one of Fox or Hali to move forward. They'll need to make that move before they worry about Barnes. We might be better off getting a guys like Harkless and Len on the cheap.

If it needed be, I would offer both the Portland protected first rounder and our own first rounder this year to get back a player who can play now. This team at this moment doesn’t have a place for first rounders for the next 2-3 seasons.

Thank god that you're not running the team, or you'd be proposing trades that aren't possible.

Billy King Jr you are greatly overrating PWill and the value of a lottery protected pick. Billy King is the reason picks are so often lottery protected, lol.

[Chi town]

Wonder if Dort could be available, perfect fit at the 4.

Dort, Favors to Chicago

White, DJJ, Portland 2021 1st to OKC

OKC gets the better frontcourt player and saves money next year, while doing what they love which is getting another draft pick.

I think this only kind of works if Coby raises his trade value a decent value, to what it was before the injury, which was a pick in the 15-20 range.

Ball, Ayo
Lavine, Caruso
Demar, TBJ
Dort, Pat Williams, Favors
Vucevic, Favors, Bradley

Dort and hopefully a healthy Pat can defend the big wings of the East in the playoffs. Similar to what the team is doing to opposing guards with Ball and Caruso, make their nights tough.

Love the idea of Dort. He’s 6’3 though.

[Chi town]

Once Coby returns I could see a Coby and POR 1st for Brunson.

Brunson would really upgrade our bench. AK has been rumored to want him for awhile.

[sco]

Once Coby returns I could see a Coby and POR 1st for Brunson.

Brunson would really upgrade our bench. AK has been rumored to want him for awhile.

Yeah, Brunson would have been a great add, but DAL would want more than that. The guy who might be gettable for that is Kleber.