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sco wrote:Maybe we can trade Coby for the other shoulder surgery guy?
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pascal-siakam-undergoes-shoulder-surgery-expected-to-miss-5-months-174317772.html
WindyCityBorn wrote:CobyWhite0 wrote:sco wrote:All good on username!
On A) basing the legitimacy of him being our starting PG next season because he played mostly PG this season is a true, but silly comment. I actually was fine giving him the season to see what he could do as a PG, but the season's over and he flat out sucked at PG. And while he did improve on the many many silly TO's by the end of the season, he has tunnel-vision and showed zero ability to set-up his guys for better shots, and his defense against good PG's was awful.
On B) good PG's are good, even on mediocre and bad teams. I just don't the points I noted as his flaws are remotely fixable to the point that he'd be better than half the starting PG's in the league.
On C) it was the right answer, but I never expected you to say that (but I had hope). I feel pretty safe predicting the career of most players after their second year - at least to the point where I feel good or bad about them ever being a top 15 at their position during their career.
That's where we differ. I guess I'm just old, but I've seen lots of players struggle their first 2 seasons, only to become All-Stars down the road. And I've seen lots of players who were very good in their first and second season but didn't improve after that.
There are just too many variables:
How hard does the player work to improve his game
What kind of coaching does the player receive
What is the player's role on his team
What other players are on his team
Does the player stay healthy
And that's not a complete list, just off the top of my head.
There's an old saying that goes something like "If a player doesn't get it by his 3rd season, he's probably never going to get it". And it fits the NBA perfectly - because the way the NBA CBA works, there's absolutely no need to make any decisions until after the player's 3rd season, when he's eligible to sign an extension. Even then, in the NBA you have a 4th season to decide because of Restricted Free Agency.
Well we know it won’t be the 3rd season for White.
CobyWhite0 wrote:WindyCityBorn wrote:CobyWhite0 wrote:
That's where we differ. I guess I'm just old, but I've seen lots of players struggle their first 2 seasons, only to become All-Stars down the road. And I've seen lots of players who were very good in their first and second season but didn't improve after that.
There are just too many variables:
How hard does the player work to improve his game
What kind of coaching does the player receive
What is the player's role on his team
What other players are on his team
Does the player stay healthy
And that's not a complete list, just off the top of my head.
There's an old saying that goes something like "If a player doesn't get it by his 3rd season, he's probably never going to get it". And it fits the NBA perfectly - because the way the NBA CBA works, there's absolutely no need to make any decisions until after the player's 3rd season, when he's eligible to sign an extension. Even then, in the NBA you have a 4th season to decide because of Restricted Free Agency.
Well we know it won’t be the 3rd season for White.
Actually, we don't know that at all.
Working hard in the offseason is certainly important, but players do most of their improving by playing in actual games. It takes time and experience for players to have the game slow down for them - and no matter how hard you work during the summer, if you don't get any playing time during the season, you're not going to improve very much.
That's the exact reason Coby spent so much time playing PG this season, and it's the reason Williams got so many minutes this season.
madvillian wrote:Hits just keep coming. How the **** does a 21 year old tear their labrum training and playing offseason basketball? I tell ya what, that's either some of the worst luck imaginable or he was doing dumbass ****. Either way, just terrible. He's going to lose an entire offseason of strength training. He can do **** lower body stuff (no deadlifts, no squats, no olympic lifts at all) on machines and that is about absolutely it. Not to even mention he's not going to be picking up a basketball for 4 months.
This probably about seals the deal on him doing anything positive before his rookie deal is up. Just another wasted top 10 pick.
Wingy wrote:Sucks big time. Besides something bad happening to Zach, Vuc, or PWill - this is just about as bad a thing as we could've possibly wished against. This coming season was huge for knowing what we wanted to do w/Coby moving forward, now that's a much tougher decision.
Silver lining. Perhaps all he should practice now is getting over screens. You know sure af he doesn't wanna be banging that injured shoulder into somebody...get over the screen, or feel the pain!
sco wrote:Wingy wrote:Sucks big time. Besides something bad happening to Zach, Vuc, or PWill - this is just about as bad a thing as we could've possibly wished against. This coming season was huge for knowing what we wanted to do w/Coby moving forward, now that's a much tougher decision.
Silver lining. Perhaps all he should practice now is getting over screens. You know sure af he doesn't wanna be banging that injured shoulder into somebody...get over the screen, or feel the pain!
I agree it sucks, I like Coby, but I've seen enough to say that he wasn't going to be starter material before the injury. He didn't give a good return on the development minutes he got this year, IMO. I'm still rooting for him to become good...just doubting it.
