Rowland Garrett wrote:I quoted Coldfish once. So I'll do it again, but this is from the Denver Post Game Thread.Rowland Garrett wrote:coldfish wrote:Painful game.
- Nuggets had a lot of people hitting difficult or shots they normally don't make. Really kept them in it.
- Caruso shot terrible and passed up several open looks. Great defense but not his best night.
- Coby was just freaking awful. His box score doesn't do it justice. Denver had their end of bench guys in and Chicago couldn't get separation because Coby wouldn't allow it. His defense continues to be atrocious but his decision making on offense sucks balls too.
Zach and Demar though. This is why stars are stars. The Bulls are going to be a tough out in the playoffs because these guys can score so well in a grinder of a game.
Fun fact: 3 J. Greens played in this game.
Good points. I just want to say this concerning Coby.
What you said was true. But what I liked was he was not being a timid kitten for the first time, and that is good. I felt they kept him in to help him get up to speed, The rust is still there. I think his time was productive with the long term in mind. He will settle down and I think we will see the Coby from the final games last season where he is fearless yet meditating his mantra of "Do not turn it over."
He was playing hard, but hurting them. But that will change.
I think the start of the game was similar with Tony Bradley. They were emphasizing him too much but it was to boost his confidence. Even though it was detrimental to the team I hope it pays off.
My point then, and now is: AK and company are on a roll and the Gar/Pax attitude needs to go. They know what they are doing...PERIOD!
First of all, the Patrick Williams hate. The dude was hurt prior to preseason, He came out timid. (Shocking for a 19 year old.) It's going to take time for him, but the game he got injured was showing baby steps. My take: Billy Donovan was doing it right.
When he gets back, if he plays this year, expect lots of struggles. But he will be a key player next year and going forward.
Then the Vucevic hate. His shooting was off. He even said he always starts off slow with his shooting. But the fact after 8 or 10 shots he didn't get red hot made many Bulls fans circle the wagons calling for his head on a pike. They stuck with him and he was rounding into form right when he got sick. That's not even counting all the little things he did which are evident now. My take: Billy Donovan was doing it right.
Just don't expect Vuc to be killing it the minute he steps on the floor. Hopefully Monday.
As I said about Coby above, well, key player in a hard fought WIN. My take: Billy Donovan was doing it right.
Trust Billy Donovan and Arturas Karnisovas. Enjoy. This supposed to be fun, and it really is.
Discussing underperforming players is not a "GarPax attitude", it's simply basic discussion/analysis. That really goes beyond sports and applies to basically every topic.
Coby has a valid excuse for his poor play, but he still played poorly until the Knicks game so it's a natural point of discussion. PWill also had a valid excuse for playing poorly, but the biggest gripe with him was less with his overall level of play and more with his timid, passive, lackadaisical nature that was hurting the team. That is a serious problem, and it would be crazy to not discuss it. Vuch's horrid shooting was/is also a problem, but in fairness to Vuch the discussion about his shooting struggles have almost always included the qualifier that he's still contributing in other ways.
Those are fair and valid points of discussion. What would be unfair is making those same discussions, but ignoring or dismissing Coby and PWill's injuries which obviously contributed to their poor play, and ignoring or dismissing Vuch's positive contributions in other areas. And to be completely fair, that does happen, but on an extremely limited basis. The vast majority of discussion is handled in a fair, even-handed manner.
I don't get the overly pessimistic, everything sucks, the-sky-is-falling, doom-and-gloomers who complain even when the team is playing well. But I really don't get the overly positive fans who like to pretend that everything is perfect and view any kind of analysis or discussion of the team's weak points as hating or being overly critical and pessimistic. Those posters were even like that when we were a bad team! It boggles the mind to see posters assuring everyone that everything is fine and all of our young players will be stars when we're in the midst of missing the playoffs for four straight years (referring to last season).