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Re: Lauri appreciation thread - Bye GarPax era 

Post#121 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:01 am

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I think now that we have seen AKME operate, its even more obvious just how bad GarPax was for the last 8-10 years. No vision whatsoever. Just trying to fill skill holes with specialists . . . which created other holes. It was an eternal game of whack a mole.

Going back further, I think Paxson at first did have a vision. Draft hard workers and winners and win with defense while trying to land a superstar. He never got that star. Got close with Kobe though. Right around when Gar took over, it seemed to all fall apart.



The lack of vision is 100% what has been exposed. I think Pax really did give up after the first time he wanted to quit and putting Gar in place is truly when the wheels fell off. John stick around even though you don’t want the the job and this guy will carry the load. Gar had no vision whatsoever and pax was checked out. AK’s vision may not result in anything great but it is clear he has a path with is a refreshing drink of cold water on a hot summer day. I’ve said it a bunch on here I will take a guy who swings for the fences and misses over someone who sits on his hands.

To be honest Paxson didn’t do a terrible job building around Rose. He also was legitimately in the running for the superfriends and Melo. Post Rose though it was just awful. One lesson you have learned being in Chicago, if you want to turn your success into an awful failure, all you have to do is hire a coach from Iowa State.

artie isn't swinging for the fences. he's swinging to get the ball out of the infield. think ty cobb, wade boggs or tony gwynn as opposed to mcgwire, ted williams or a-rod

agree with your take on the garpax years though


I think he is swinging for the fences. This is just round 1.Turn the Bulls into consistent mid-level playoff team. Once Derozan and Vuc age out you hope that LaVine, Ball and Williams is core you can build around and possibly another star through trade or free agency.

What is your definition of swinging for the fences? Tanking and hoping for a miracle?
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Re: Lauri appreciation thread - Bye GarPax era 

Post#122 » by coldfish » Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:22 am

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The lack of vision is 100% what has been exposed. I think Pax really did give up after the first time he wanted to quit and putting Gar in place is truly when the wheels fell off. John stick around even though you don’t want the the job and this guy will carry the load. Gar had no vision whatsoever and pax was checked out. AK’s vision may not result in anything great but it is clear he has a path with is a refreshing drink of cold water on a hot summer day. I’ve said it a bunch on here I will take a guy who swings for the fences and misses over someone who sits on his hands.

To be honest Paxson didn’t do a terrible job building around Rose. He also was legitimately in the running for the superfriends and Melo. Post Rose though it was just awful. One lesson you have learned being in Chicago, if you want to turn your success into an awful failure, all you have to do is hire a coach from Iowa State.

artie isn't swinging for the fences. he's swinging to get the ball out of the infield. think ty cobb, wade boggs or tony gwynn as opposed to mcgwire, ted williams or a-rod

agree with your take on the garpax years though


I think he is swinging for the fences. This is just round 1.Turn the Bulls into consistent mid-level playoff team. Once Derozan and Vuc age out you hope that LaVine, Ball and Williams is core you can build around and possibly another star through trade or free agency.

What is your definition of swinging for the fences? Tanking and hoping for a miracle?


IMO, AKME is trying to score by playing smallball. I agree with dice. A single here, a stolen base, etc.

Swinging for the fences is what GarPax did. Tank for draft picks and have big capspace in hopes of landing a superstar by draft or free agency. As we all know, you usually strike out when you swing for the fences.

I think what the tankers missed all along is that you get more than one at bat. They seemed to think that the team was done after the Vucevic trade and since it didn't go out of the park, the attempt was a failure. I'll tell you, the Bulls still are not done.
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Re: Lauri appreciation thread - Bye GarPax era 

Post#123 » by Michael Jackson » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:00 pm

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dice wrote:artie isn't swinging for the fences. he's swinging to get the ball out of the infield. think ty cobb, wade boggs or tony gwynn as opposed to mcgwire, ted williams or a-rod

agree with your take on the garpax years though


I think he is swinging for the fences. This is just round 1.Turn the Bulls into consistent mid-level playoff team. Once Derozan and Vuc age out you hope that LaVine, Ball and Williams is core you can build around and possibly another star through trade or free agency.

What is your definition of swinging for the fences? Tanking and hoping for a miracle?


IMO, AKME is trying to score by playing smallball. I agree with dice. A single here, a stolen base, etc.

Swinging for the fences is what GarPax did. Tank for draft picks and have big capspace in hopes of landing a superstar by draft or free agency. As we all know, you usually strike out when you swing for the fences.

I think what the tankers missed all along is that you get more than one at bat. They seemed to think that the team was done after the Vucevic trade and since it didn't go out of the park, the attempt was a failure. I'll tell you, the Bulls still are not done.


I agree. Really Vuc is still tradable right now as are most of their contracts. Things can still be shifted around. AK has proved he is creative and can take the road less traveled if nothing else.
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Post#124 » by Grodoboldo » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:19 pm

I never expected Lauri to become such a divisive topic in our fan base.
Yeah, I had higher expectations for him after that rookie year, but sometimes things just don't work out. He didn't develop some skills that we hoped he would, but then again, he never had the players (PG) or environment (good veteran mentors and coaches) for that.
Anyway, water under the bridge, I really liked the trade for us, getting a FRP and a rotational piece that matches our needs is quite a haul for a RFA that we didn't want to match.
I wish nothing but the best for the guy (but not against the Bulls!), I hope he reaches his potential (whatever it is) and finds happiness wherever he goes.
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Post#125 » by sco » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:34 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:I never expected Lauri to become such a divisive topic in our fan base.
Yeah, I had higher expectations for him after that rookie year, but sometimes things just don't work out. He didn't develop some skills that we hoped he would, but then again, he never had the players (PG) or environment (good veteran mentors and coaches) for that.
Anyway, water under the bridge, I really liked the trade for us, getting a FRP and a rotational piece that matches our needs is quite a haul for a RFA that we didn't want to match.
I wish nothing but the best for the guy (but not against the Bulls!), I hope he reaches his potential (whatever it is) and finds happiness wherever he goes.

It's a good point. Started me thinking about what caused the divisiveness on the Lauri topic:

1) He never became great: I think coming out of the Jimmy trade, someone needed to be the headline piece. Zach was injured, Dunn didn't show stardom, and Lauri was the first of our #7 picks. #7, while not usually a star, was a better pick than we'd seen in a while - so hopes were higher.

2) That Dirk 2.0 label: The most unfair thing that happened was this kid being labeled Dirk 2.0 - another tall euro who could shoot 3's. I hate when guys are the ANYBODY 2.0 - it's usually race and appearance based and very unfair.

3) The Injuries: Expectations should have been lowered for him earlier, but his injuries set him back and left the door open for fans to just say "he would have been better but for the injuries".

4) FebruLauri: But the worst source of differing views were Lauri's hot streaks. All players have hot streaks, but they are usually not sustainable as they are aided by soft schedules or other guys being out on their team that changed defensive gameplanning or bigger roles, etc.
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Re: Lauri appreciation thread - Bye GarPax era 

Post#126 » by coldfish » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:49 pm

sco wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:I never expected Lauri to become such a divisive topic in our fan base.
Yeah, I had higher expectations for him after that rookie year, but sometimes things just don't work out. He didn't develop some skills that we hoped he would, but then again, he never had the players (PG) or environment (good veteran mentors and coaches) for that.
Anyway, water under the bridge, I really liked the trade for us, getting a FRP and a rotational piece that matches our needs is quite a haul for a RFA that we didn't want to match.
I wish nothing but the best for the guy (but not against the Bulls!), I hope he reaches his potential (whatever it is) and finds happiness wherever he goes.

It's a good point. Started me thinking about what caused the divisiveness on the Lauri topic:

1) He never became great: I think coming out of the Jimmy trade, someone needed to be the headline piece. Zach was injured, Dunn didn't show stardom, and Lauri was the first of our #7 picks. #7, while not usually a star, was a better pick than we'd seen in a while - so hopes were higher.

2) That Dirk 2.0 label: The most unfair thing that happened was this kid being labeled Dirk 2.0 - another tall euro who could shoot 3's. I hate when guys are the ANYBODY 2.0 - it's usually race and appearance based and very unfair.

3) The Injuries: Expectations should have been lowered for him earlier, but his injuries set him back and left the door open for fans to just say "he would have been better but for the injuries".

4) FebruLauri: But the worst source of differing views were Lauri's hot streaks. All players have hot streaks, but they are usually not sustainable as they are aided by soft schedules or other guys being out on their team that changed defensive gameplanning or bigger roles, etc.


IMO, one or two posters here can be traced for starting the divisiveness. One guy used to attack anyone and everyone on the team to try to make Lauri look better. In response, a lot of other fans attacked Lauri and that pissed off the sane Lauri fans, starting a constant back and forth.
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Post#127 » by sco » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:53 pm

coldfish wrote:
sco wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:I never expected Lauri to become such a divisive topic in our fan base.
Yeah, I had higher expectations for him after that rookie year, but sometimes things just don't work out. He didn't develop some skills that we hoped he would, but then again, he never had the players (PG) or environment (good veteran mentors and coaches) for that.
Anyway, water under the bridge, I really liked the trade for us, getting a FRP and a rotational piece that matches our needs is quite a haul for a RFA that we didn't want to match.
I wish nothing but the best for the guy (but not against the Bulls!), I hope he reaches his potential (whatever it is) and finds happiness wherever he goes.

It's a good point. Started me thinking about what caused the divisiveness on the Lauri topic:

1) He never became great: I think coming out of the Jimmy trade, someone needed to be the headline piece. Zach was injured, Dunn didn't show stardom, and Lauri was the first of our #7 picks. #7, while not usually a star, was a better pick than we'd seen in a while - so hopes were higher.

2) That Dirk 2.0 label: The most unfair thing that happened was this kid being labeled Dirk 2.0 - another tall euro who could shoot 3's. I hate when guys are the ANYBODY 2.0 - it's usually race and appearance based and very unfair.

3) The Injuries: Expectations should have been lowered for him earlier, but his injuries set him back and left the door open for fans to just say "he would have been better but for the injuries".

4) FebruLauri: But the worst source of differing views were Lauri's hot streaks. All players have hot streaks, but they are usually not sustainable as they are aided by soft schedules or other guys being out on their team that changed defensive gameplanning or bigger roles, etc.


IMO, one or two posters here can be traced for starting the divisiveness. One guy used to attack anyone and everyone on the team to try to make Lauri look better. In response, a lot of other fans attacked Lauri and that pissed off the sane Lauri fans, starting a constant back and forth.

Definitely, but that is the norm here. We are rabid fans and many have guys who they are "all in" on and are willing to die on the hill to protect their hopes. And I for one, love the passion guys have - makes this a fun, albeit at times, silly. There just isn't enough intelligent discourse to carry real fans through dead-end season and long summers off.
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Post#128 » by Grodoboldo » Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:45 pm

coldfish wrote:
sco wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:I never expected Lauri to become such a divisive topic in our fan base.
Yeah, I had higher expectations for him after that rookie year, but sometimes things just don't work out. He didn't develop some skills that we hoped he would, but then again, he never had the players (PG) or environment (good veteran mentors and coaches) for that.
Anyway, water under the bridge, I really liked the trade for us, getting a FRP and a rotational piece that matches our needs is quite a haul for a RFA that we didn't want to match.
I wish nothing but the best for the guy (but not against the Bulls!), I hope he reaches his potential (whatever it is) and finds happiness wherever he goes.

It's a good point. Started me thinking about what caused the divisiveness on the Lauri topic:

1) He never became great: I think coming out of the Jimmy trade, someone needed to be the headline piece. Zach was injured, Dunn didn't show stardom, and Lauri was the first of our #7 picks. #7, while not usually a star, was a better pick than we'd seen in a while - so hopes were higher.

2) That Dirk 2.0 label: The most unfair thing that happened was this kid being labeled Dirk 2.0 - another tall euro who could shoot 3's. I hate when guys are the ANYBODY 2.0 - it's usually race and appearance based and very unfair.

3) The Injuries: Expectations should have been lowered for him earlier, but his injuries set him back and left the door open for fans to just say "he would have been better but for the injuries".

4) FebruLauri: But the worst source of differing views were Lauri's hot streaks. All players have hot streaks, but they are usually not sustainable as they are aided by soft schedules or other guys being out on their team that changed defensive gameplanning or bigger roles, etc.


IMO, one or two posters here can be traced for starting the divisiveness. One guy used to attack anyone and everyone on the team to try to make Lauri look better. In response, a lot of other fans attacked Lauri and that pissed off the sane Lauri fans, starting a constant back and forth.


Yeah, that makes sense within the board. But reactions around social media seem to have developed similarly.
In the end, it boils down to expectations. We (the fans) had unreasonable expectations towards the guy because the team had just traded a top-15 guy and he was part of the compensation. He never quite matched them (not really trying to get into why that is), so frustration ensued.
But wishing the guy anything other than success is just pettiness, IMO. He was always a pro, and even when saying that he wanted out, he did it with class and respect.
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Post#129 » by WindyCityBorn » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:10 pm

coldfish wrote:
sco wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:I never expected Lauri to become such a divisive topic in our fan base.
Yeah, I had higher expectations for him after that rookie year, but sometimes things just don't work out. He didn't develop some skills that we hoped he would, but then again, he never had the players (PG) or environment (good veteran mentors and coaches) for that.
Anyway, water under the bridge, I really liked the trade for us, getting a FRP and a rotational piece that matches our needs is quite a haul for a RFA that we didn't want to match.
I wish nothing but the best for the guy (but not against the Bulls!), I hope he reaches his potential (whatever it is) and finds happiness wherever he goes.

It's a good point. Started me thinking about what caused the divisiveness on the Lauri topic:

1) He never became great: I think coming out of the Jimmy trade, someone needed to be the headline piece. Zach was injured, Dunn didn't show stardom, and Lauri was the first of our #7 picks. #7, while not usually a star, was a better pick than we'd seen in a while - so hopes were higher.

2) That Dirk 2.0 label: The most unfair thing that happened was this kid being labeled Dirk 2.0 - another tall euro who could shoot 3's. I hate when guys are the ANYBODY 2.0 - it's usually race and appearance based and very unfair.

3) The Injuries: Expectations should have been lowered for him earlier, but his injuries set him back and left the door open for fans to just say "he would have been better but for the injuries".

4) FebruLauri: But the worst source of differing views were Lauri's hot streaks. All players have hot streaks, but they are usually not sustainable as they are aided by soft schedules or other guys being out on their team that changed defensive gameplanning or bigger roles, etc.


IMO, one or two posters here can be traced for starting the divisiveness. One guy used to attack anyone and everyone on the team to try to make Lauri look better. In response, a lot of other fans attacked Lauri and that pissed off the sane Lauri fans, starting a constant back and forth.


The Lauri first fans are already on the Cleveland forums so thankfully that era is over.
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Post#130 » by Grodoboldo » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:14 pm

WindyCityBorn wrote:
coldfish wrote:
sco wrote:It's a good point. Started me thinking about what caused the divisiveness on the Lauri topic:

1) He never became great: I think coming out of the Jimmy trade, someone needed to be the headline piece. Zach was injured, Dunn didn't show stardom, and Lauri was the first of our #7 picks. #7, while not usually a star, was a better pick than we'd seen in a while - so hopes were higher.

2) That Dirk 2.0 label: The most unfair thing that happened was this kid being labeled Dirk 2.0 - another tall euro who could shoot 3's. I hate when guys are the ANYBODY 2.0 - it's usually race and appearance based and very unfair.

3) The Injuries: Expectations should have been lowered for him earlier, but his injuries set him back and left the door open for fans to just say "he would have been better but for the injuries".

4) FebruLauri: But the worst source of differing views were Lauri's hot streaks. All players have hot streaks, but they are usually not sustainable as they are aided by soft schedules or other guys being out on their team that changed defensive gameplanning or bigger roles, etc.


IMO, one or two posters here can be traced for starting the divisiveness. One guy used to attack anyone and everyone on the team to try to make Lauri look better. In response, a lot of other fans attacked Lauri and that pissed off the sane Lauri fans, starting a constant back and forth.


The Lauri first fans are already on the Cleveland forums so thankfully that era is over.


Considering the traffic there, they might actually be the majority. Can they appoint a mod and change the board's name?
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Post#131 » by Pentele » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:37 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
coldfish wrote:
IMO, one or two posters here can be traced for starting the divisiveness. One guy used to attack anyone and everyone on the team to try to make Lauri look better. In response, a lot of other fans attacked Lauri and that pissed off the sane Lauri fans, starting a constant back and forth.


The Lauri first fans are already on the Cleveland forums so thankfully that era is over.


Considering the traffic there, they might actually be the majority. Can they appoint a mod and change the board's name?


Food for thought. Earlier, I envisioned the landing of Lauri-stans to the Spurs board, but I guess the Cavs board works just as well :D

Btw, here's one Lauri fan you might not get rid of so easily. Though I must admit I find the current situation a bit off-putting. That is mostly because the team has changed pretty much completely. When the season starts I have only Zach on the court to root for. I have always been the kind of fan who becomes attached to players and wishes them well. I understand that I'm in the clear minority here, but I would have preferred more continuity between the previous and upcoming season. I don't mind watching a team face adversity because it is that much more sweet when the players can overcome it and show the people who have doubted them. Now I speak of guys like Gafford, Wendel, Coby, even Valentine. And of course Lauri as well. Changing the whole team feels like cheating, and it takes some time to feel connected again, I think. For me the logo is not enough.

Still the truth of the matter is that the Bulls is pretty much the only team in the NBA that has meant anything to mean. Who knows maybe the Cavaliers is going to be the second since I am going to continue following Lauri's career with special interest. But I am definitely not there yet.
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Post#132 » by sco » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:11 pm

Pentele wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:
WindyCityBorn wrote:
The Lauri first fans are already on the Cleveland forums so thankfully that era is over.


Considering the traffic there, they might actually be the majority. Can they appoint a mod and change the board's name?


Food for thought. Earlier, I envisioned the landing of Lauri-stans to the Spurs board, but I guess the Cavs board works just as well :D

Btw, here's one Lauri fan you might not get rid of so easily. Though I must admit I find the current situation a bit off-putting. That is mostly because the team has changed pretty much completely. When the season starts I have only Zach on the court to root for. I have always been the kind of fan who becomes attached to players and wishes them well. I understand that I'm in the clear minority here, but I would have preferred more continuity between the previous and upcoming season. I don't mind watching a team face adversity because it is that much more sweet when the players can overcome it and show the people who have doubted them. Now I speak of guys like Gafford, Wendel, Coby, even Valentine. And of course Lauri as well. Changing the whole team feels like cheating, and it takes some time to feel connected again, I think. For me the logo is not enough.

Still the truth of the matter is that the Bulls is pretty much the only team in the NBA that has meant anything to mean. Who knows maybe the Cavaliers is going to be the second since I am going to continue following Lauri's career with special interest. But I am definitely not there yet.

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I agree wholesale changes require re-connection with the new team, but I gotta say on the surface, the only guys I'm gonna miss are Thad and Arci. IMO, the rest were guys who were just happy to be in the NBA and not about getting better or winning.
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Post#133 » by MGB8 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:18 pm

Grodoboldo wrote:
coldfish wrote:
sco wrote:It's a good point. Started me thinking about what caused the divisiveness on the Lauri topic:

1) He never became great: I think coming out of the Jimmy trade, someone needed to be the headline piece. Zach was injured, Dunn didn't show stardom, and Lauri was the first of our #7 picks. #7, while not usually a star, was a better pick than we'd seen in a while - so hopes were higher.

2) That Dirk 2.0 label: The most unfair thing that happened was this kid being labeled Dirk 2.0 - another tall euro who could shoot 3's. I hate when guys are the ANYBODY 2.0 - it's usually race and appearance based and very unfair.

3) The Injuries: Expectations should have been lowered for him earlier, but his injuries set him back and left the door open for fans to just say "he would have been better but for the injuries".

4) FebruLauri: But the worst source of differing views were Lauri's hot streaks. All players have hot streaks, but they are usually not sustainable as they are aided by soft schedules or other guys being out on their team that changed defensive gameplanning or bigger roles, etc.


IMO, one or two posters here can be traced for starting the divisiveness. One guy used to attack anyone and everyone on the team to try to make Lauri look better. In response, a lot of other fans attacked Lauri and that pissed off the sane Lauri fans, starting a constant back and forth.


Yeah, that makes sense within the board. But reactions around social media seem to have developed similarly.
In the end, it boils down to expectations. We (the fans) had unreasonable expectations towards the guy because the team had just traded a top-15 guy and he was part of the compensation. He never quite matched them (not really trying to get into why that is), so frustration ensued.
But wishing the guy anything other than success is just pettiness, IMO. He was always a pro, and even when saying that he wanted out, he did it with class and respect.


The thing is, as a rookie, he looked basically on par with non-rookie Portis and veteran Niko. The upside seemed tremendous - a larger version of Niko that could shoot better, drive better, maybe defend better after all was said and done.

But he never built on those flashes - his trajectory was basically flat. That's what folks were unprepared for.

The looked at this rookie and thought - if this is what he is as a rookie, then 4, 5 years down the line he's a sure-fire all-star.

Instead, it was... oh, this guy is a marginally better version of what he was as a rookie...
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Post#134 » by The 6ft Hurdle » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:38 pm

LOL I've been out of he loop on Bulls basketball for so long that the only 'real' division on his board were the Ben Gordon vs. Duhon vs. Hinrich vs. Deng wars. I had mentally checked out of the Bulls team itself (but not this forum, incidentally) after the Derrick Rose return from injury and finally after the 2015 exit against NJ.

I didn't even know there was a Markkanen division/controversy, LOL.

My 6-year old's burgeoning interest in basketball has brought me back (and a bunch of trades we'd been waiting to see since 2001). Carry on.
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Post#135 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Sep 3, 2021 12:00 am

sco wrote:
Pentele wrote:
Grodoboldo wrote:
Considering the traffic there, they might actually be the majority. Can they appoint a mod and change the board's name?


Food for thought. Earlier, I envisioned the landing of Lauri-stans to the Spurs board, but I guess the Cavs board works just as well :D

Btw, here's one Lauri fan you might not get rid of so easily. Though I must admit I find the current situation a bit off-putting. That is mostly because the team has changed pretty much completely. When the season starts I have only Zach on the court to root for. I have always been the kind of fan who becomes attached to players and wishes them well. I understand that I'm in the clear minority here, but I would have preferred more continuity between the previous and upcoming season. I don't mind watching a team face adversity because it is that much more sweet when the players can overcome it and show the people who have doubted them. Now I speak of guys like Gafford, Wendel, Coby, even Valentine. And of course Lauri as well. Changing the whole team feels like cheating, and it takes some time to feel connected again, I think. For me the logo is not enough.

Still the truth of the matter is that the Bulls is pretty much the only team in the NBA that has meant anything to mean. Who knows maybe the Cavaliers is going to be the second since I am going to continue following Lauri's career with special interest. But I am definitely not there yet.

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I agree wholesale changes require re-connection with the new team, but I gotta say on the surface, the only guys I'm gonna miss are Thad and Arci. IMO, the rest were guys who were just happy to be in the NBA and not about getting better or winning.



Not a huge amount but I miss Gafford. I never thought he was amazing but I thought he was a good picket his spot and he played with some heart. Glad he found some success in Washington last year, a lot due to Russ but hopefully it continues. I miss him mostly because we could really use him. I kind of wanted to get to know Theis a little more in hopes that I would miss him, but he was here so short that I can't really miss him. Once again more because he would have been useful. I don't mind the wholesale change the Bulls took though, after the torturous last edition of the GarPax era, it is nice to be rid of that culture and welcome the new faces. I wouldn't have minded Lauri sticking around on the QO but wish him the best in Cleveland.
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Post#136 » by Michael Jackson » Fri Sep 3, 2021 12:02 am

The 6ft Hurdle wrote:LOL I've been out of he loop on Bulls basketball for so long that the only 'real' division on his board were the Ben Gordon vs. Duhon vs. Hinrich vs. Deng wars. I had mentally checked out of the Bulls team itself (but not this forum, incidentally) after the Derrick Rose return from injury and finally after the 2015 exit against NJ.

I didn't even know there was a Markkanen division/controversy, LOL.

My 6-year old's burgeoning interest in basketball has brought me back (and a bunch of trades we'd been waiting to see since 2001). Carry on.



You surely didn't miss anything good in that time. Just the battle scars that prove true love, things every Cubs fan well understands.
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Post#137 » by BullChit » Fri Sep 3, 2021 12:27 am

The 6ft Hurdle wrote:LOL I've been out of he loop on Bulls basketball for so long that the only 'real' division on his board were the Ben Gordon vs. Duhon vs. Hinrich vs. Deng wars. I had mentally checked out of the Bulls team itself (but not this forum, incidentally) after the Derrick Rose return from injury and finally after the 2015 exit against NJ.

I didn't even know there was a Markkanen division/controversy, LOL.

My 6-year old's burgeoning interest in basketball has brought me back (and a bunch of trades we'd been waiting to see since 2001). Carry on.


Are you telling me you missed the Bogans Vs Brewer debacle!!! :o :o
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Post#138 » by GrowingHorns » Fri Sep 3, 2021 10:06 pm

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He gave me the biggest laughs in years by KO'ing Steph, and for that alone, he holds such a special place in the hearts of Bulls fans.

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Post#139 » by fleet » Fri Sep 3, 2021 10:16 pm

The 6ft Hurdle wrote:LOL I've been out of he loop on Bulls basketball for so long that the only 'real' division on his board were the Ben Gordon vs. Duhon vs. Hinrich vs. Deng wars. I had mentally checked out of the Bulls team itself (but not this forum, incidentally) after the Derrick Rose return from injury and finally after the 2015 exit against NJ.

I didn't even know there was a Markkanen division/controversy, LOL.

My 6-year old's burgeoning interest in basketball has brought me back (and a bunch of trades we'd been waiting to see since 2001). Carry on.

In the early times, it was Jay Vs Jamal. There, in the ancient computer texts were tellings of the largest conflagration Bulls fans have ever experienced.

I have new interest in the Bulls myself. Just because the Bulls are now acting just like all the other teams have acted, all around us forever. That prior situation created a weariness over time in me that said nothing normal can happen here. We had a million allegedly practical reasons why we were too good or bad for all that. Defenders of the regime. AK’s arrival has shown that it was mostly just a strange case of a team owner that stubbornly suspended the team in GarPax amber for a long long while. We have been caught in a weird place for a long time man. Yeah guys, we can actually just trade a guy like Lauri (and an entire team) away and start fresh overnight instead. Without acting as if we had to outsmart the entire league and be more pure in the process.
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Re: Lauri appreciation thread - Bye GarPax era 

Post#140 » by The 6ft Hurdle » Mon Sep 6, 2021 2:44 am

fleet wrote:
The 6ft Hurdle wrote:LOL I've been out of he loop on Bulls basketball for so long that the only 'real' division on his board were the Ben Gordon vs. Duhon vs. Hinrich vs. Deng wars. I had mentally checked out of the Bulls team itself (but not this forum, incidentally) after the Derrick Rose return from injury and finally after the 2015 exit against NJ.

I didn't even know there was a Markkanen division/controversy, LOL.

My 6-year old's burgeoning interest in basketball has brought me back (and a bunch of trades we'd been waiting to see since 2001). Carry on.

In the early times, it was Jay Vs Jamal. There, in the ancient computer texts were tellings of the largest conflagration Bulls fans have ever experienced.

I have new interest in the Bulls myself. Just because the Bulls are now acting just like all the other teams have acted, all around us forever. That prior situation created a weariness over time in me that said nothing normal can happen here. We had a million allegedly practical reasons why we were too good or bad for all that. Defenders of the regime. AK’s arrival has shown that it was mostly just a strange case of a team owner that stubbornly suspended the team in GarPax amber for a long long while. We have been caught in a weird place for a long time man. Yeah guys, we can actually just trade a guy like Lauri (and an entire team) away and start fresh overnight instead. Without acting as if we had to outsmart the entire league and be more pure in the process.

Jay vs. Jamal was like WW1. LOL. Straight from the archives. I remember there were some posters who poked fun at the fact that he started calling himself "Jay" instead of his full name.

Then it became Jamal vs. Hinrich, then Hinrich vs. BG, which in retrospect is all so exhausting, especially when it appears we have zero influence on decisionmaking (or has THAT changed too now?)

I didn't like how it seemed like Kirk always seemed to be talked about in terms of the coach's son stereotypes and seemed to be evaluated with those stereotypes in mind and completely unchecked. I'm not too sure if GarPax evaluated him in that way, but judging by the way they talked about him it seems they did.

Incidentally, in Zach Lavine's lone year at UCLA, I was incredibly annoyed at how our coach at the time Steve Alford was giving his literal son, Bryce, all these minutes over a freshman Zach. What happened to Zach in his freshman year at UCLA in favor of the literal coach's son was the very dynamic that I thought was at work whenever they played Kirk, Duhon over someone like BG: coach's son leader > talented player. But don't want to derail this thread too much. Just thought I'd share.
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