Options to fix the PF hole

StunnerKO · Post #421 » by **StunnerKO** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:11 pm

I know over the year Leonard has been taking a lot of steps to right his wrongs working with the Jewish community in a lot of ways. Someone will take a chance on him eventually but I can’t blame an owner if they don’t want to.

qianlong · Post #422 » by **qianlong** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:28 pm

Aside from the usual names, Barnes and Thompson from Sacramento, the name I like is B Clarke from the grizzlies.
He was a very productive player, not the best size but very active, very efficient offensively, kind of fits in Donovan small ball 4. I believe he got injured last year, but i still believe he has it. He is behind JJJ and Slowmo so I expect him to be not too expensive.

MGB8 · Post #423 » by **MGB8** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:34 pm

StunnerKO wrote:I know over the year Leonard has been taking a lot of steps to right his wrongs working with the Jewish community in a lot of ways. Someone will take a chance on him eventually but I can’t blame an owner if they don’t want to.

I'm not sure what the issue is. Frankly, there's a lot of anti-Jewish bigotry among NBA players that comes out here and there. Leonard was an idiot, but probably less malicious in his beliefs than some of the other guys out there.

There could be concern that he's washed up (he was already a bench guy at best when he was in Miami, getting a ton of DNPs). I don't know. But it's hard to know why a ton of the guys who are out of the league are out - versus other guys who are in.

holdenwait · Post #424 » by **holdenwait** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:39 pm

not sure what's going on with cap space for Rockets but can we trade Vuc and whatever else necessary to try and get Alperen Sengun to Chicago? :beer:

Almost Retired · Post #425 » by **Almost Retired** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:12 pm

holdenwait wrote:not sure what's going on with cap space for Rockets but can we trade Vuc and whatever else necessary to try and get Alperen Sengun to Chicago?

I see no way on God's Green Earth that Houston trades a young, promising player like Sengun who's on rookie contract while they are in a rebuilding mode. None. And as much as I think Sengun is going to be a unique player in the league he is not what the team needs right now. We need Vuc's size. We need his experience. He'll come around. Maybe his case of Covid was a bad one and the effects are lingering? If he isn't vintage Vuc by Christmas...then I'll start to worry.

Post #426 » by **Michael Jackson** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:21 pm

qianlong wrote:Aside from the usual names, Barnes and Thompson from Sacramento, the name I like is B Clarke from the grizzlies.
He was a very productive player, not the best size but very active, very efficient offensively, kind of fits in Donovan small ball 4. I believe he got injured last year, but i still believe he has it. He is behind JJJ and Slowmo so I expect him to be not too expensive.

Not sure what it would take to get him by any means but I wouldn't mind him. That being said JJJ has oft not been healthy and as much as I loved that guy he isn't really developing like I hoped, so they may want to keep him around or want back something of good value.

MGB8 · Post #427 » by **MGB8** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:30 am

The Thunder’s Isaiah Roby strikes me as a potential acquisition target. 6’8 combo forward with good length, solid defender, passable from 3, played his rookie year under Donovan in his last season there….

Maybe they have some interest in Troy Brown?

Post #428 » by **Michael Jackson** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:44 am

MGB8 wrote:The Thunder’s Isaiah Roby strikes me as a potential acquisition target. 6’8 combo forward with good length, solid defender, passable from 3, played his rookie year under Donovan in his last season there….

Maybe they have some interest in Troy Brown?

Meh maybe not sure what TBJ has as far as value though. Do they need another project? At this point I think they want a sure fire running mate for SGA for the future. They have assets out the hind end. If just a project might as well stick with what they got. I mean Presti has a plan, not sure what it is but I doubt it is TBJ.

MGB8 · Post #429 » by **MGB8** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:49 am

Michael Jackson wrote:
MGB8 wrote:The Thunder’s Isaiah Roby strikes me as a potential acquisition target. 6’8 combo forward with good length, solid defender, passable from 3, played his rookie year under Donovan in his last season there….

Maybe they have some interest in Troy Brown?

Meh maybe not sure what TBJ has as far as value though. Do they need another project? At this point I think they want a sure fire running mate for SGA for the future. They have assets out the hind end. If just a project might as well stick with what they got. I mean Presti has a plan, not sure what it is but I doubt it is TBJ.

Sure, but it’s not like they are starting Roby. He is behind Bazely and Poku, who both have more upside. Roby, meanwhile, is similar to Pat Williams, but an inch taller and a nice 8’10 reach, but less offensive upside - pure glue / 3&D 4 is his ceiling… but there are signs that he could be there quickly.

Not that Troy Brown would necessarily be all that appealing to the Thunder, but I think Roby might be gettable without over-paying (at least by too much). Though can’t tell what Presti’s end game is. Maybe he is just running his own “process.”

Post #430 » by **Michael Jackson** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:55 am

MGB8 wrote:
Michael Jackson wrote:
MGB8 wrote:The Thunder’s Isaiah Roby strikes me as a potential acquisition target. 6’8 combo forward with good length, solid defender, passable from 3, played his rookie year under Donovan in his last season there….

Maybe they have some interest in Troy Brown?

Meh maybe not sure what TBJ has as far as value though. Do they need another project? At this point I think they want a sure fire running mate for SGA for the future. They have assets out the hind end. If just a project might as well stick with what they got. I mean Presti has a plan, not sure what it is but I doubt it is TBJ.

Sure, but it’s not like they are starting Roby. He is behind Bazely and Poku, who both have more upside. Roby, meanwhile, is similar to Pat Williams, but an inch taller and a nice 8’10 reach, but less offensive upside - pure glue / 3&D 4 is his ceiling… but there are signs that he could be there quickly.

Not that Troy Brown would necessarily be all that appealing to the Thunder, but I think Roby might be gettable without over-paying (at least by too much). Though can’t tell what Presti’s end game is. Maybe he is just running his own “process.”

Don’t know much about him at all honestly. Like we both said though not sure what Presti is looking for, just don’t think TBJ is netting anything at this point. He still seems like a guy who is a throw in on a Daniel Gafford trade to me. Maybe it makes sense though in a need for need trade.

StunnerKO · Post #431 » by **StunnerKO** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:01 am

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StunnerKO · Post #432 » by **StunnerKO** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 5:21 am

Didn’t even know Roby was an Illinois kid

MGB8 · Post #433 » by **MGB8** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:03 pm

StunnerKO wrote:
Didn’t even know Roby was an Illinois kid

Yup. Bulls would probably have to add a 2nd rounder (or even potentially 2, and/or cash) --- but do the Thunder really see Roby as part of their longer term core, or as a rotation player who they are willing to churn?

Mind you, not sure that Roby is a better talent than Brown. But if Billy isn't going to use Brown, and given the need for a bit more size at the 4 (especially with Pat out). Of course, the Bulls could also just try Troy Brown at the 4, too, given what they are doing with playing wings there.

ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #434 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:33 pm

I’m not keen on adding more combo forwards. We’re missing a legitimate 4/5. Filling that with more tweeners doesn’t solve the issues we have, and if we’re going to move assets, it should be for that

sco · Post #435 » by **sco** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:49 pm

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:I’m not keen on adding more combo forwards. We’re missing a legitimate 4/5. Filling that with more tweeners doesn’t solve the issues we have, and if we’re going to move assets, it should be for that

I agree we need a PF and a C. I'm not sure we can fill both needs in the same guy. We need a starting PF who is both a good defender and a corner 3 threat. We also need a bench C who can play Billy's high-post passing hub role.

MGB8 · Post #436 » by **MGB8** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:48 pm

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:I’m not keen on adding more combo forwards. We’re missing a legitimate 4/5. Filling that with more tweeners doesn’t solve the issues we have, and if we’re going to move assets, it should be for that

The thing is, AKME and Donovan appear to want a combo forward at the 4 spot. Not a 4/5, a combo.

Heck, they are playing DJJ at the 5 over Tony Bradley.

They value mobility much more than size.

Whether that's wise or not... it's what they want. Hence the notion of Roby as a guy who fits the mold of a guy that they want, but is at the bigger end of the spectrum - higher reach than Brandon Clarke or Alize Johnson, but mobile.

Tetlak · Post #437 » by **Tetlak** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 3:58 pm

Roby isn't somebody I had thought of. He's a nice target, but I doubt we could get him for so cheap.

Ctownbulls · Post #438 » by **Ctownbulls** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 4:00 pm

StunnerKO wrote:I know over the year Leonard has been taking a lot of steps to right his wrongs working with the Jewish community in a lot of ways. Someone will take a chance on him eventually but I can’t blame an owner if they don’t want to.

I think he's done for good.

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TunaFish · Post #439 » by **TunaFish** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 2:40 am

Ctownbulls wrote:
StunnerKO wrote:I know over the year Leonard has been taking a lot of steps to right his wrongs working with the Jewish community in a lot of ways. Someone will take a chance on him eventually but I can’t blame an owner if they don’t want to.
I think he's done for good.

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I agree but not just because of his racist remark, he was not very good and would be a poor fit at PF.

ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #440 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Wed Dec 1, 2021 3:24 am

MGB8 wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:I’m not keen on adding more combo forwards. We’re missing a legitimate 4/5. Filling that with more tweeners doesn’t solve the issues we have, and if we’re going to move assets, it should be for that

The thing is, AKME and Donovan appear to want a combo forward at the 4 spot. Not a 4/5, a combo.

Heck, they are playing DJJ at the 5 over Tony Bradley.

They value mobility much more than size.

Whether that's wise or not... it's what they want. Hence the notion of Roby as a guy who fits the mold of a guy that they want, but is at the bigger end of the spectrum - higher reach than Brandon Clarke or Alize Johnson, but mobile.

Don’t mind it in the regular season, but that is not going to fly in the playoffs. More specifically, we need bigs who can defend in the paint against some of the Easts’ Allstar players.