How good can Ayo be? Ayo Thread

sco · Post #201 » by **sco** » Wed Dec 8, 2021 11:21 pm

FriedRise wrote:

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Yay! Good for Ayo.

Feels equal part Ayo being good and Illini being sucky. (admittedly I'm a Michigan fan - although they sorta suck this year)

Bulls2021 · Post #202 » by **Bulls2021** » Tue Dec 28, 2021 4:52 pm

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Love the defensive intensity and length he brings. His defensive potential is definitely up there.

meekrab · Post #203 » by **meekrab** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 12:33 am

Ayo is currently 13th in minutes played among the 2021 draft class. He's #8 in win shares. His FG% and 3PT% are several % better than anybody who has played more minutes, and there are only two rookies who have scored more points while playing less minutes. And doing that on a #2 seed where the offense isn't even remotely focused on getting him points or development reps, he's being asked to play good ball. Plus we've seen, he can basically already defend just about any guard in the league.

I think it's safe to say he's a lock for first ballot HOFer and probably ten all star games.

Or at least, a nice payday in summer 2023.

Lunartic · Post #204 » by **Lunartic** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:08 am

I have no idea what his player comparisons are

Repeat 3-peat · Post #205 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:09 am

Ayo reminds me of Terance Mann from the Clips. They're nearly identical. Both 2nd round picks, they have a good feel for the game, play within themselves, no fear for big moments, versatile 2-way mentality.
I have not watch many Clipper games this year as I did last year but when I do/did, Terance Mann is a positive player on the court and makes winning plays.

So basically, I see Ayo being a productive, high level role player. Great draft pick.

Bulls2021 · Post #206 » by **Bulls2021** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:10 am

Lunartic wrote:I have no idea what his player comparisons are

Lazy comparison on my part - Tony Allen? Long arms, good athleticism, good defender already. Never will be a 2nd or 3rd option most likely, but a very solid player.

TheHrvReport · Post #207 » by **TheHrvReport** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 1:25 am

Great pick. I see the Mann comparison as well - high level role player. He will likely get a nice pay day in 2 years from another team so let's enjoy him while we have him.

TyrusRose2425 · Post #208 » by **TyrusRose2425** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:02 am

I still say best case Jrue Holiday

kodo · Post #209 » by **kodo** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:06 am

Bulls2021 wrote:
Lunartic wrote:I have no idea what his player comparisons are

Lazy comparison on my part - Tony Allen? Long arms, good athleticism, good defender already. Never will be a 2nd or 3rd option most likely, but a very solid player.

I wouldn't say Allen, because Ayo is a better offensive player. His shooting at ranges are unusually good for any NBA player, much less a rookie.
Near the rim: 66%
Mid range: 57%
Long 2: 42%
3P: 39%

Tony Allen:
Near the rim: 60%
Mid range: 31%
Long 2: 32%
3P: 28%

Ayo is not really a 1 way player. It can be argued his offense is better than his defense, which is excellent. But he's just not getting the ball on this team, even during the covid replacement run we've been having. Just way too many guards to feed, and Ayo is at the bottom of the food triangle. He has a lower Usage rate than Matt Thomas or Troy Brown Jr.

TyrusRose2425 · Post #210 » by **TyrusRose2425** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 2:23 am

kodo wrote:
Bulls2021 wrote:
Lunartic wrote:I have no idea what his player comparisons are

Lazy comparison on my part - Tony Allen? Long arms, good athleticism, good defender already. Never will be a 2nd or 3rd option most likely, but a very solid player.

I wouldn't say Allen, because Ayo is a better offensive player. His shooting at ranges are unusually good for any NBA player, much less a rookie.
Near the rim: 66%
Mid range: 57%
Long 2: 42%
3P: 39%

Tony Allen:
Near the rim: 60%
Mid range: 31%
Long 2: 32%
3P: 28%

Ayo is not really a 1 way player. It can be argued his offense is better than his defense, which is excellent. But he's just not getting the ball on this team, even during the covid replacement run we've been having. Just way too many guards to feed, and Ayo is at the bottom of the food triangle. He has a lower Usage rate than Matt Thomas or Troy Brown Jr.

Yeah Ayo at the very least has tools to work with offensively. Not sure if they're NBA ready yet, but the good thing is he doesn't need to do that here yet. He can develop them at his own pace and when it's time to take on a larger role, hopefully he's ready.

PlayerUp · Post #211 » by **PlayerUp** » Wed Dec 29, 2021 6:37 am

PGs can take years to develop in the NBA so it's hard to know if Ayo can be a fringe all star or just a quality role player. It's all on him really and your guess is as good as mine.

RastaBull · Post #212 » by **RastaBull** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:31 am

Umm, I just looked up his game log.

Across basically full month of December games Ayo is shooting 70%!!!!

What the heck?!?! This kid is great. But additionally this is major accolades to Billy D and coaching staff which are putting this kid in every right position. Pushing his minutes at times, pulling back at others. They are helping him become a super sub role player in his rookie year.

Ayo is at very least cementing second team all-rookie.

meekrab · Post #213 » by **meekrab** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:01 am

RastaBull wrote:Umm, I just looked up his game log.

Across basically full month of December games Ayo is shooting 70%!!!!

What the heck?!?!

It's 6 games, and he has a really low usage rate, but he basically only shoots layups and wide open threes. :dontknow:

Post #214 » by **Michael Jackson** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:21 am

TheHrvReport wrote:Great pick. I see the Mann comparison as well - high level role player. He will likely get a nice pay day in 2 years from another team so let's enjoy him while we have him.

I heart Mann

Post #215 » by **DuckIII** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:17 pm

Don’t look now but Ayo is over .600 TS, 40% from 3, has already learned how to finish at the rim, is demonstrating a quick first step (even when going left for all you guys who read one time that he can’t do that even though he spent the whole prior season shaking defenders going left), and is playing extremely high level NBA defense.

He’s really having a remarkable rookie season. I’m growing more and more concerned about how we retain him after next season. Especially if we trade Coby and Ayo takes over the role as 7th man next year (which is a role he’s already earned this year but won’t get).

I’m afraid he’s going to have to really desperately want to be a Bull long term or he’ll have to make the business decision and leave.

CaPiTanAK · Post #216 » by **CaPiTanAK** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:27 pm

DuckIII wrote:Don’t look now but Ayo is over .600 TS, 40% from 3, has already learned how to finish at the rim, is demonstrating a quick first step (even when going left for all you guys who read one time that he can’t do that even though he spent the whole prior season shaking defenders going left), and is playing extremely high level NBA defense.

He’s really having a remarkable rookie season. I’m growing more and more concerned about how we retain him after next season. Especially if we trade Coby and Ayo takes over the role as 7th man next year (which is a role he’s already earned this year but won’t get).

I’m afraid he’s going to have to really desperately want to be a Bull long term or he’ll have to make the business decision and leave.

It's simple. Full MLE for 4-5 years, with a player opt out option after the first year. I think he would take that deal, since he is a Chicago Bulls kid at heart who is selected by us and grown under the tutelage of our staff.

CaPiTanAK · Post #217 » by **CaPiTanAK** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:29 pm

Here is a modern day comparison for Ayo:

The Mikal Bridges of pg/sg

If he somehow unlocks his playmaking and his scoring ability, the sky is the limit. His defense is already NBA caliber above average.

Bulls2021 · Post #218 » by **Bulls2021** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:29 pm

CaPiTanAK wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Don’t look now but Ayo is over .600 TS, 40% from 3, has already learned how to finish at the rim, is demonstrating a quick first step (even when going left for all you guys who read one time that he can’t do that even though he spent the whole prior season shaking defenders going left), and is playing extremely high level NBA defense.

He’s really having a remarkable rookie season. I’m growing more and more concerned about how we retain him after next season. Especially if we trade Coby and Ayo takes over the role as 7th man next year (which is a role he’s already earned this year but won’t get).

I’m afraid he’s going to have to really desperately want to be a Bull long term or he’ll have to make the business decision and leave.

It's simple. Full MLE for 4-5 years, with a player opt out option after the first year. I think he would take that deal, since he is a Chicago Bulls kid at heart who is selected by us and grown under the tutelage of our staff.

This is pure speculation, and it's probably wrong. Guys rarely take discounts to play in their hometown. He will likely take the biggest offer, as he should.

Bulls2021 · Post #219 » by **Bulls2021** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:31 pm

DuckIII wrote:Don’t look now but Ayo is over .600 TS, 40% from 3, has already learned how to finish at the rim, is demonstrating a quick first step (even when going left for all you guys who read one time that he can’t do that even though he spent the whole prior season shaking defenders going left), and is playing extremely high level NBA defense.

He’s really having a remarkable rookie season. I’m growing more and more concerned about how we retain him after next season. Especially if we trade Coby and Ayo takes over the role as 7th man next year (which is a role he’s already earned this year but won’t get).

I’m afraid he’s going to have to really desperately want to be a Bull long term or he’ll have to make the business decision and leave.

His contract situation is still confusing to me. Wasn't it determined that there will be some type of bird rights? Another team may offer a poison pill contract, but the bulls can match it.

CaPiTanAK · Post #220 » by **CaPiTanAK** » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:33 pm

Bulls2021 wrote:
CaPiTanAK wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Don’t look now but Ayo is over .600 TS, 40% from 3, has already learned how to finish at the rim, is demonstrating a quick first step (even when going left for all you guys who read one time that he can’t do that even though he spent the whole prior season shaking defenders going left), and is playing extremely high level NBA defense.

He’s really having a remarkable rookie season. I’m growing more and more concerned about how we retain him after next season. Especially if we trade Coby and Ayo takes over the role as 7th man next year (which is a role he’s already earned this year but won’t get).

I’m afraid he’s going to have to really desperately want to be a Bull long term or he’ll have to make the business decision and leave.

It's simple. Full MLE for 4-5 years, with a player opt out option after the first year. I think he would take that deal, since he is a Chicago Bulls kid at heart who is selected by us and grown under the tutelage of our staff.

This is pure speculation, and it's probably wrong. Guys rarely take discounts to play in their hometown. He will likely take the biggest offer, as he should.

The point of that contract is for him to take a 3-5 mil first year discount, allowing for him to opt out, and resign with us at a market price after year 3. In the event that he suffers a catastrophic injury, he would still have guaranteed money for the next 3-4 years.