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Seems like a cool chart but I can't figure out who the players are, even after blowing up the picture.
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Ice Man wrote:BeatDaCavs420 wrote:These comments and thread title..lol,
Is your quarrel with "not contenders" or "now"?
DuckIII wrote:BeatDaCavs420 wrote:These comments and thread title..lol,
Yeah, you’re right. We’re top tier contenders. We should probably be favored over all.
cowraiser wrote:Ice Man wrote:BeatDaCavs420 wrote:These comments and thread title..lol,
Is your quarrel with "not contenders" or "now"?
His MO is to complain about the complainers.
DuckIII wrote:NecessaryEvil wrote:We aren't on the levels of Brooklyn or Golden State.
That much is apparently clear now.
Both of those teams healthy, or unhealthy are still superior.
We'd be lucky to get to the ECF
Presumably this was obvious even before both teams blew us out. I can’t imagine anyone objectively having the Bulls ranked higher than 3rd in the East or 5th in NBA. And with a notable gap between those tiers.
bad knees wrote:Our early season success was fragile. Every piece was needed, everyone covered for another teammate’s weakness. The core element was Caruso and the defense. As that has chipped away, the dam is finally bursting.
(it would be cool if we had an @ mention feature). I understand why you and many of us would be disappointed in recent performance, and not just the Warriors game, but I think the above outlines the reasons. We were never in the Warriors/Nets class despite the record. We need all of our horses. But when we do have them, as I said, I think we can hang with them. If Zach is ok and ownership let's AK continue to be aggressive - we could beat some of them if they get dinged up...and they have been dinged up plenty (Nets/Warriors), or may just be exhausted come playoff time (Jrue/Middleton's lack of break since before the bubble).umfan83 wrote:...
weneeda2guard wrote:For real I hate these past 2 games. And I really wish we could have solidified ourselves as top contenders on national TV and basked in the rays of the hype. But it's not all over lol. Regardless of how horrible this looks right now we are still somehow 1st in the East and although we may slip some we have players returning who is going to lift the spirits of the team and our defense will get better and once the defense gets improved we will start winning games again. We are a great team. Fine we are not contenders now but who is say these growing pains won't have us legit contending next season? It's growing pains this is not a super team. We have to unfortunately organically grow together.
And BTW, every top team has suffered some embarrassment Bucks got beat by the pistons on their home floor lost a couple other games, nets got destroyed by the Bucks, warriors just got destroyed a few times, grizzlies just got spanked on their home floor by the mavs, it happens. So I know we are all demoralized and felling horrible right now but every fan base has had to deal with being embarrassed so far this season. We will get through it.
BeatDaCavs420 wrote:DuckIII wrote:BeatDaCavs420 wrote:These comments and thread title..lol,
Yeah, you’re right. We’re top tier contenders. We should probably be favored over all.
So did you expect us to be first in the east right now??? Like before season started
DuckIII wrote:No. And before this week I didn’t expect us to stay there either. Nor will we.
“We were right there with them. We dominated for most of the game, but then Derrick Rose happened.” - Al Horford
Wingy wrote:weneeda2guard wrote:For real I hate these past 2 games. And I really wish we could have solidified ourselves as top contenders on national TV and basked in the rays of the hype. But it's not all over lol. Regardless of how horrible this looks right now we are still somehow 1st in the East and although we may slip some we have players returning who is going to lift the spirits of the team and our defense will get better and once the defense gets improved we will start winning games again. We are a great team. Fine we are not contenders now but who is say these growing pains won't have us legit contending next season? It's growing pains this is not a super team. We have to unfortunately organically grow together.
And BTW, every top team has suffered some embarrassment Bucks got beat by the pistons on their home floor lost a couple other games, nets got destroyed by the Bucks, warriors just got destroyed a few times, grizzlies just got spanked on their home floor by the mavs, it happens. So I know we are all demoralized and felling horrible right now but every fan base has had to deal with being embarrassed so far this season. We will get through it.
It's part of the process. We skipped a lot of steps, but unsurprisingly, it looks like we're not going to get away with skipping all of them. These guys have to see what's it's like for the top contenders to come at them like they're a threat. They have to see how they have to work even harder in the offseason if they want to compete with those guys. They have to learn through failure that you can't just dominate the best of the best with what's gotten you here so far (looking at you Zach...you're my one hope to evolve into someone resembling a true superstar).
Think about it for a minute. Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving and James Harden came into our house with something to prove the other night. How insane is that from where we were one year ago?
I can't think of a team that didn't go through a lot of growing pains. Someone might throw out the Suns, but they haven't won a title yet, and their window hangs on the thin thread of a small, 37 year old PG (at time of this year's conference semis) who has faded late and been dinged up in a lot of past playoff runs.
With all the injuries + starters going out (inc. our best player...not 2nd best whoever said that earlier) in two consecutive games very early with non-trivial injuries + the specific opponents + current stage of this teams maturation -- it's puzzling why people are shocked and so disgruntled at such an intense degree to these particular losses.
weneeda2guard wrote:I'm also of the belief that if lavine stayed in the game we would have competed a lot better. Watching him go out took the heart out the team. We didn't look like ourselves at all
But once our defensive guys get back in we will start looking like our old selves again. It's still only half the season. We will be better later in the year and even better next year. This is a process. Sorry to those who thought we were going to get together and go on a miracle title run. That just doesn't happen with this kind of team. That happens when you add Durant to curry klay and Draymond. Or if wade bosh and LeBron join forces. Teams constructed like us have to suffer sometimes to become great.
Land Rover wrote:That was just brutal to watch
We got absolutely smoked in every facet of the game from pretty much the start
“We were right there with them. We dominated for most of the game, but then Derrick Rose happened.” - Al Horford
BullChit wrote:HOTCARL_o wrote:There next ESPN game going to be again Charlotte, they need to start showing up for these games cause the playoffs going to be nationally televised so they gotta get used to it
I honestly don't think the whole Nationally televised narrative plays any role in this teams current struggles.
We are a newly put together squad who have had tremendous success and a changed culture in less than half a season.
We are now suffering through injuries to key players and a key position that has been make shift solution after make shift solution since P.Will went down.
The next man up mentality only works for so long and the next man up is always going to be looking for light at the end of the tunnel. During the 9 game winning streak we were essentially holding back the Dam from breaking with plywood and woodglue, we all knew it and shouldn't be surprised.
Remember AKME said last year was an evaluation year and it's exactly what it was - moves were made and the team improved but to think we would instantly become a contending team without in season lapses, struggles and slumps is just nonsensical.
The goals for this season were to
1. Make the playoffs
2. Change the culture
3. Become a better situation for Free Agents to consider.
Even now after 2 massive blow outs in a row (to actual proven title contenders) AKME can tick off at least at 2 of if not all 3 of those goals.
Now as for our most pressing matter, Zach LaVine's injury and all we can do with that is Pray to Christ Almight that Zach is healthy and can continue playing the game he loves.