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demar's career in the clutchest moments 

Post#1 » by dice » Fri Apr 1, 2022 11:15 pm

under 25 seconds on the clock, shot to tie or win:

raptors - 45 opportunities - 14 successes, 30 failures*, 1 FT split to tie, 0.62 points per opportunity
spurs - 29 opportunities - 12 successes, 17 failures, 0.86 points per opportunity
bulls - 9 opportunities - 4 successes**, 5 failures, 1.22 points per opportunity

total - 83 opportunities - 30.5 successes, 52.5 failures, 64 points scored

*includes rushed follow attempt in tied game 1 of east semis at home against cavs in 2018 playoffs. cavs would win in OT and sweep series
**includes 2/3 FTs to tie last night

that's 83 career opportunities (full season), 64 points scored. also, 7 assists and 6 TO in such situations over his entire career...so other teams should play him to shoot!
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Post#2 » by kodo » Fri Apr 1, 2022 11:29 pm

I feel like his 3 is weirdly accurate only in these situations.
NBA.com says he's shooting 50% from 3 in "clutch" scenarios.
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Post#3 » by nomorezorro » Sat Apr 2, 2022 4:35 am

at this rate...on his next team, demar's going to be the greatest clutch performer in league history
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Post#4 » by dougthonus » Sat Apr 2, 2022 12:48 pm

nomorezorro wrote:at this rate...on his next team, demar's going to be the greatest clutch performer in league history


I wonder where this Bulls season ranks in terms of all time clutch performances by a single player, but it has to be up there. Obviously this is just talking about games won at the end and not about the stakes of those games, but just in terms of efficiency / points, this has got to be one of the best clutch seasons in the history of the league.
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Post#5 » by dougthonus » Sat Apr 2, 2022 12:50 pm

dice wrote:bulls - 9 opportunities - 4 successes**, 5 failures, 1.22 points per opportunity


I'm curious which games are you looking at? I assume success/failure is based purely on win/loss?
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Post#6 » by MrSparkle » Sat Apr 2, 2022 4:51 pm

I don’t know what tonic he’s been drinking, but his clutchness has matched MJ and Rose’s ability to rain baskets with the game on the line.

I’d really love to see it continue in the playoffs. That’d be a nice treat after a rough half season (all injuries and team decline considered).
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Post#7 » by dougthonus » Sat Apr 2, 2022 6:12 pm

MrSparkle wrote:I don’t know what tonic he’s been drinking, but his clutchness has matched MJ and Rose’s ability to rain baskets with the game on the line.

I’d really love to see it continue in the playoffs. That’d be a nice treat after a rough half season (all injuries and team decline considered).


The problem with it continuing in the playoffs is that the Bulls have failed to play a good team close enough to allow for a clutch situation :lol:
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Post#8 » by MrSparkle » Sat Apr 2, 2022 7:42 pm

dougthonus wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:I don’t know what tonic he’s been drinking, but his clutchness has matched MJ and Rose’s ability to rain baskets with the game on the line.

I’d really love to see it continue in the playoffs. That’d be a nice treat after a rough half season (all injuries and team decline considered).


The problem with it continuing in the playoffs is that the Bulls have failed to play a good team close enough to allow for a clutch situation :lol:


Indeed.

I’m irrationally hopeful, as in part of me thinks we can make round 2 with a lucky stroke, but reality is there’s no way this team hangs with any of the playoff teams. I think they’re gonna PnR the hell out of Vuc, get really comfortable scoring, and Bulls will be playing catch-up with our best 3P shooter having no business ever playing (Matt Thomas)…
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Post#9 » by dougthonus » Sat Apr 2, 2022 8:06 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:I don’t know what tonic he’s been drinking, but his clutchness has matched MJ and Rose’s ability to rain baskets with the game on the line.

I’d really love to see it continue in the playoffs. That’d be a nice treat after a rough half season (all injuries and team decline considered).


The problem with it continuing in the playoffs is that the Bulls have failed to play a good team close enough to allow for a clutch situation :lol:


Indeed.

I’m irrationally hopeful, as in part of me thinks we can make round 2 with a lucky stroke, but reality is there’s no way this team hangs with any of the playoff teams. I think they’re gonna PnR the hell out of Vuc, get really comfortable scoring, and Bulls will be playing catch-up with our best 3P shooter having no business ever playing (Matt Thomas)…


I figure in some ways, you just never know in the playoffs. While in any individual game, who knows what can happen, holistically, I feel they are missing star level Zach and Lonzo the most. Zach just doesn't seem like he can consistently create the same matchup problems he was earlier and Lonzo helps with virtually everything the Bulls are struggling with.

The thing is, I think Zach's just going through knee problems that won't resolve without rest and Lonzo, even if rehab goes well, probably can't be counted on for full speed in the playoffs (and more likely won't play at all).
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Post#10 » by dice » Sat Apr 2, 2022 8:21 pm

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dice wrote:bulls - 9 opportunities - 4 successes**, 5 failures, 1.22 points per opportunity


I'm curious which games are you looking at? I assume success/failure is based purely on win/loss?

it's based on success in that moment. if you're down 2 and make a shot to tie, that's a success

10/28/21 down 1 misses 15 footer at buzzer
11/17/21 down 1 misses 17 footer w/ 13 secs

12/31/21 down 1 makes 3 pointer at buzzer
01/01/22 down 2 makes 3 pointer at buzzer

01/15/22 tied misses 20 footer w/ 11 secs
01/15/22 down 2 misses 12 footer w/ 1 sec
01/21/22 down 2 misses 3 pointer w/ 23 secs

02/24/22 down 1 makes 13 footer (and 1) w/ 15 secs
03/31/22 down 2 makes 2 FT w/ 4 secs


the irony is that he is known for his mid-range and all of his successes involved an opportunity for 3 points
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Post#11 » by dice » Sat Apr 2, 2022 8:23 pm

dougthonus wrote:
nomorezorro wrote:at this rate...on his next team, demar's going to be the greatest clutch performer in league history


I wonder where this Bulls season ranks in terms of all time clutch performances by a single player, but it has to be up there. Obviously this is just talking about games won at the end and not about the stakes of those games, but just in terms of efficiency / points, this has got to be one of the best clutch seasons in the history of the league.

kobe had a really clutch season and coasted on that reputation for the rest of his career
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Post#12 » by dougthonus » Sat Apr 2, 2022 9:11 pm

dice wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
dice wrote:bulls - 9 opportunities - 4 successes**, 5 failures, 1.22 points per opportunity


I'm curious which games are you looking at? I assume success/failure is based purely on win/loss?

it's based on success in that moment. if you're down 2 and make a shot to tie, that's a success

10/28/21 down 1 misses 15 footer at buzzer
11/17/21 down 1 misses 17 footer w/ 13 secs

12/31/21 down 1 makes 3 pointer at buzzer
01/01/22 down 2 makes 3 pointer at buzzer

01/15/22 tied misses 20 footer w/ 11 secs
01/15/22 down 2 misses 12 footer w/ 1 sec
01/21/22 down 2 misses 3 pointer w/ 23 secs

02/24/22 down 1 makes 13 footer (and 1) w/ 15 secs
03/31/22 down 2 makes 2 FT w/ 4 secs


the irony is that he is known for his mid-range and all of his successes involved an opportunity for 3 points


What is your criteria for clutch? 30 seconds within 3 points?
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Post#13 » by dice » Sat Apr 2, 2022 9:26 pm

dougthonus wrote:
dice wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
I'm curious which games are you looking at? I assume success/failure is based purely on win/loss?

it's based on success in that moment. if you're down 2 and make a shot to tie, that's a success

10/28/21 down 1 misses 15 footer at buzzer
11/17/21 down 1 misses 17 footer w/ 13 secs

12/31/21 down 1 makes 3 pointer at buzzer
01/01/22 down 2 makes 3 pointer at buzzer

01/15/22 tied misses 20 footer w/ 11 secs
01/15/22 down 2 misses 12 footer w/ 1 sec
01/21/22 down 2 misses 3 pointer w/ 23 secs

02/24/22 down 1 makes 13 footer (and 1) w/ 15 secs
03/31/22 down 2 makes 2 FT w/ 4 secs


the irony is that he is known for his mid-range and all of his successes involved an opportunity for 3 points


What is your criteria for clutch? 30 seconds within 3 points?

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