Vuc Trade Thread

[boozapalooza]

Think its about time to acknowledge Vuc is playing well enough to bring back an actual asset (future FRP or young player) in a trade.

21ppg, 10 rebound, 3 assist, 58% FG, 47% 3PT big men don’t grow on trees in the NBA. He will be an expiring contract after this year, and 20M/year is reasonable for that production.

Think its about time for a conversation on who might be interested and what a trade package could look like

I’m thinking a 2025 FRP is attainable, perhaps from GS or Orlando. A return to Orlando is the most intriguing fit in my opinion, they have 2 FRPs this year to work with (Denver).

[Hangtime84]

GS if they seriously trying maximize that curry window. Vuc is playing like all star they need size and players who are consistently available.

Not sure what prospect Chicago wants tho. Since they want players.

I would say the pelicans as well as while their rookie is nice they struggle for playmakers.

Miami - Vuc would look good next to defensive big and bam would Gordon 2.0 for him. Bam is being asked to do a lot of offense and his efficiency is dropping because of it.

[ChettheJet]

So now he's a valuable tradable asset, the guy that a month ago had no takers and wasn't worth a pair of protected 2nd round picks. How's his defense, oh yeah he's scoring so nobody cares about defense now. Get with the program, no team sees him scoring 39 points and says, Oh yeah Vucevic he might be the answer to our prayers. He IS the same guy he was a month ago and every team knows that

[kodo]

Orlando would be hilarious because Orlando ends up not only with our pick Franz Wagner, but the best version of Vuc as well.

[RSP83]

I think he can net us FRPs for teams that are really desperate. I don't know what those teams are at the moment. But his current production on top of good contract, I imagine 2-3 teams may have him in their list.

[League Circles]

I've lost most of my enthusiasm for trading Vuc. Not cause he's good now, but cause the potential salary cap space is probably futile and cause I don't believe we'll get anything actually valuable for him.

[sco]

I've lost most of my enthusiasm for trading Vuc. Not cause he's good now, but cause the potential salary cap space is probably futile and cause I don't believe we'll get anything actually valuable for him.

I agree if all we get back is cap relief and a couple 2nds. If we get a young guy with potential or a 1st, I'm all in.

If we can get TJD from GS, I'd be fine. I'd be winning to sweeten the deal to get Podz. Kuminga is somewhat flawed and wants too much money, but he's got an alpha mentality and the 3pt shot might be coming around (I forget if we'd get his RFA rights).

If NO refuses to tank, Vuc would be so great there, but unless they'd trade us Jones as part of the deal, the $ won't work. Sure, I'd trade Vuc/Pat/Ball, Coby or Giddey for Zion, but doubt they would.

Maybe MIA, you could pair him with Bam and be fine. I'd be happy to get Jovic in the deal plus filler.

[FriedRise]

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I just can't see him getting traded. Same thing with Zach. The reason is simple: they're playing too well and they fit the system this team wants to run like a glove.

We're a quarter way through the season and we still haven't played a LOT of the terrible EC teams - so there's a ton of them still left in our schedule for Zach and Vooch to feast on. AK knows that this team is rolling and gonna be collecting Ws as long as they keep everyone intact. And that was always the goal.

The Bulls never sell high on their players. We wait until they're midway through their decline to finally make a move for a much smaller return. This is the way.

[sco]

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I just can't see him getting traded. Same thing with Zach. The reason is simple: they're playing too well and they fit the system this team wants to run like a glove.

We're a quarter way through the season and we still haven't played a LOT of the terrible EC teams - so there's a ton of them still left in our schedule for Zach and Vooch to feast on. AK knows that this team is rolling and gonna be collecting Ws as long as they keep everyone intact. And that was always the goal.

The Bulls never sell high on their players. We wait until they're midway through their decline to finally make a move for a much smaller return. This is the way.

I do agree that the right lens to look through for Bulls' roster moves is about AK thinking about job security, not about contending now, not about contending later. GM's in precarious positions are behind 100% of teams that languish in sub-mediocrity for a decade.

That said, I feel like too much as already come out from the org about their "willingness" to trade Zach and Vuc. And despite our offensive resurgence, we are still below .500. The teams we beat are often on the 2nd of b2b's or missing a key guy when they play us, but that's easy to forget.

[meekrab]

Thing with trading Vuc is we almost have to ask for a center in return because we don't have anyone else with actual size on the roster (Jalen Smith is listed as the same height but he's 40 pounds smaller) and then to get assets on top of that, and what contender/buyer is out there with a center that Vuc is an upgrade worth paying assets over?

[sco]

Thing with trading Vuc is we almost have to ask for a center in return because we don't have anyone else with actual size on the roster (Jalen Smith is listed as the same height but he's 40 pounds smaller) and then to get assets on top of that, and what contender/buyer is out there with a center that Vuc is an upgrade worth paying assets over?

I was of this mind, but, first of all, SO WHAT. We're not trading Vuc to get better this season, it is (at least at some level), to get worse this season to keep our pick. Also, we can always find a FA off the scrap heap or trade a 2nd for a backup C. I think I'd prefer to move Pat to small ball C and free-up some min for Matas. Lastly, I really want to see how Smith does as a starting C. I have loved what I've seen with him so far.

[jnrjr79]

Thing with trading Vuc is we almost have to ask for a center in return because we don't have anyone else with actual size on the roster (Jalen Smith is listed as the same height but he's 40 pounds smaller) and then to get assets on top of that, and what contender/buyer is out there with a center that Vuc is an upgrade worth paying assets over?

I was of this mind, but, first of all, SO WHAT. We're not trading Vuc to get better this season, it is (at least at some level), to get worse this season to keep our pick. Also, we can always find a FA off the scrap heap or trade a 2nd for a backup C. I think I'd prefer to move Pat to small ball C and free-up some min for Matas. Lastly, I really want to see how Smith does as a starting C. I have loved what I've seen with him so far.

Bingo!

[DuckIII]

So now he's a valuable tradable asset, the guy that a month ago had no takers and wasn't worth a pair of protected 2nd round picks. How's his defense, oh yeah he's scoring so nobody cares about defense now. Get with the program, no team sees him scoring 39 points and says, Oh yeah Vucevic he might be the answer to our prayers. He IS the same guy he was a month ago and every team knows that

Or. He’s always been terrible defensively and everyone know it. And the one thing he could do to provide value to a number of teams - operate as a spread 5 - appeared to be lost last year and at his age possibly gone for good. But then he reverted to more of his offensive norm which makes last year look like an anomaly thereby returning some of his trade value.

That said, I would still trade him for whatever the best “long term” offer is - even if people think it sucks - and move on. Same with Lavine.

[WindyCityBorn]

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I just can't see him getting traded. Same thing with Zach. The reason is simple: they're playing too well and they fit the system this team wants to run like a glove.

We're a quarter way through the season and we still haven't played a LOT of the terrible EC teams - so there's a ton of them still left in our schedule for Zach and Vooch to feast on. AK knows that this team is rolling and gonna be collecting Ws as long as they keep everyone intact. And that was always the goal.

The Bulls never sell high on their players. We wait until they're midway through their decline to finally make a move for a much smaller return. This is the way.

You definition of high trade value differs from mine. We lose trades for both of them. The only reason to trade them now is to save money and lose more. Which are valid reasons if losing for a high pick is the priority.

[WindyCityBorn]

So now he's a valuable tradable asset, the guy that a month ago had no takers and wasn't worth a pair of protected 2nd round picks. How's his defense, oh yeah he's scoring so nobody cares about defense now. Get with the program, no team sees him scoring 39 points and says, Oh yeah Vucevic he might be the answer to our prayers. He IS the same guy he was a month ago and every team knows that

The only reason he isn’t a valuable trade asset is because of his age. Not his play. If he was 30 we could probably get multiple 1st picks. Kinda like what we gave up.

He is finally playing like the player we thought we were getting 3 years too late.

[The Force.]

This is actually close to the best case scenario for the Bulls. AKME botched their opportunity to sell high a few years ago and now the basketball gods have blessed us with all-star level play from Vuc AND Zach. The stars have basically aligned for this team to move BOTH players when very few thought that would be possible.

Only a supremely incompetent and myopic front office would find a way to mess this up.

[Muzbar]

This is actually close to the best case scenario for the Bulls. AKME botched their opportunity to sell high a few years ago and now the basketball gods have blessed us with all-star level play from Vuc AND Zach. The stars have basically aligned for this team to move BOTH players when very few thought that would be possible.

Only a supremely incompetent and myopic front office would find a way to mess this up.

So you're saying there's a good chance?

[DuckIII]

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but I just can't see him getting traded. Same thing with Zach. The reason is simple: they're playing too well and they fit the system this team wants to run like a glove.

We're a quarter way through the season and we still haven't played a LOT of the terrible EC teams - so there's a ton of them still left in our schedule for Zach and Vooch to feast on. AK knows that this team is rolling and gonna be collecting Ws as long as they keep everyone intact. And that was always the goal.

The Bulls never sell high on their players. We wait until they're midway through their decline to finally make a move for a much smaller return. This is the way.

You definition of high trade value differs from mine. We lose trades for both of them. The only reason to trade them now is to save money and lose more. Which are valid reasons if losing for a high pick is the priority.

I care what we get for them both only to the extent I care that we get the best thing we can get based on what, if anything, is offered so long as it regards rebuilding. Beyond that I do not care. Expiring contracts and a second rounder? Fine. No second rounder at all? Also fine. Assuming its the best you can get.

In these discussions people always look at the trade return on paper. But that is badly insufficient as you point out. A substantial return in these transactions is the increased value to your own draft assets - to use or to trade - due to winning less games. And in this circumstance the value is even more pronounced because the difference may not be between a 14th and an 11th pick, but between a top 10 pick and zero picks.

[The Force.]

This is actually close to the best case scenario for the Bulls. AKME botched their opportunity to sell high a few years ago and now the basketball gods have blessed us with all-star level play from Vuc AND Zach. The stars have basically aligned for this team to move BOTH players when very few thought that would be possible.

Only a supremely incompetent and myopic front office would find a way to mess this up.

So you're saying there's a good chance?

Absolutely not.

[jnrjr79]

This is actually close to the best case scenario for the Bulls. AKME botched their opportunity to sell high a few years ago and now the basketball gods have blessed us with all-star level play from Vuc AND Zach. The stars have basically aligned for this team to move BOTH players when very few thought that would be possible.

Only a supremely incompetent and myopic front office would find a way to mess this up.

There has never been any opportunity to "sell high" on Vooch.