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Vuc vs. Collins vs. Smith who should start?
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Vuc vs. Collins vs. Smith who should start?
I just wanted to see if anyone would actually pick Vuc, and if someone does, we'll know Billy is trolling our board.

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Without question Vuc. That doesn't mean he should finish.
His defensive shortcomings last night were more scheme than anything else. What he brings as a veteran connective tissue on offense is worth more than than the others and he's a much better scorer than the other 2. If he's flailing play the hot hand.
His defensive shortcomings last night were more scheme than anything else. What he brings as a veteran connective tissue on offense is worth more than than the others and he's a much better scorer than the other 2. If he's flailing play the hot hand.
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Vuc should be getting DNPs but I guess the FO is still holding out hope that he has trade value?
Personally I'd pick Smith. He's the youngest with most upside, not that I think he's got star potential or anything.
Personally I'd pick Smith. He's the youngest with most upside, not that I think he's got star potential or anything.
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Start Collins, bring Smith off the bench.
Vuc shouldn't be playing.
Vuc shouldn't be playing.
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If they target Vuc repeatedly like LA was doing, you got to pull him out.
If Giddey hadn't made a half court shot, we'd be talking about how random NBA center (aka Jaxson Hayes) had 19 points on 9-11 shooting and Austin Reaves / Luka were hunting him for iso.
Repeating myself from the GT, if we make the playoffs and I'm opposing coach the gameplan is to just P&R until Vuc switches on to you and attack him every single possession.
If Giddey hadn't made a half court shot, we'd be talking about how random NBA center (aka Jaxson Hayes) had 19 points on 9-11 shooting and Austin Reaves / Luka were hunting him for iso.
Repeating myself from the GT, if we make the playoffs and I'm opposing coach the gameplan is to just P&R until Vuc switches on to you and attack him every single possession.
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kodo wrote:If they target Vuc repeatedly like LA was doing, you got to pull him out.
No you have to stop switching.
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Its utter nonsense that Vuc shouldn't start. He's the best C offensively and a threat to the other team. There are clearly nights where he is worn down and the other 2 C's are more than adequate to play. Start him and if he doesn't have it that particular night limit his minutes.
If you are blaming Vuc for the defensive issues at the end you need to do some defensive basketball research. There was an easy solution that we didn't turn to for whatever reason.
If you are blaming Vuc for the defensive issues at the end you need to do some defensive basketball research. There was an easy solution that we didn't turn to for whatever reason.
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There aren’t many centers in the entire NBA more poorly suited to what we are doing now. He’ll play because we have almost no bigs and we still want to trade him.
But if we were in a 7 game series and contracts and potential off season moves meant nothing, I would not play him at all. Let alone start him.
I would not say that about other teams he could play for though. He can help someone a little. It’s just that to the extent he fit with our slow, plodding “Big 3” nonsense, those days are gone. He couldn’t possibly fit worse with this particular group.
But if we were in a 7 game series and contracts and potential off season moves meant nothing, I would not play him at all. Let alone start him.
I would not say that about other teams he could play for though. He can help someone a little. It’s just that to the extent he fit with our slow, plodding “Big 3” nonsense, those days are gone. He couldn’t possibly fit worse with this particular group.
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Guru wrote:Its utter nonsense that Vuc shouldn't start. He's the best C offensively and a threat to the other team. There are clearly nights where he is worn down and the other 2 C's are more than adequate to play. Start him and if he doesn't have it that particular night limit his minutes.
If you are blaming Vuc for the defensive issues at the end you need to do some defensive basketball research. There was an easy solution that we didn't turn to for whatever reason.
Vuc is the best offensive center, but not by nearly as big of a margin as he's the worst defensive C among the three. He's really one of the worst defenders I've seen in modern NBA history. Very Carlos-Boozer-esque.
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I don't particularly care who starts for the rest of this season. But IMO, Smith is the youngest, the best, and is on the best contract, so for me unless we make a trade or maybe if we draft Maluach or sign an unexpected FA with the MLE (which I can't really see), I want Smith starting next year for sure. Collins is roughly as good as him, but older, on a worse deal, and definitely less versatile defensively, where I think Smith is underrated.
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Vuc is pretty good at being the last guy down the court and taking a wide open three from the top of the arc. That's as nice of a thing as I can say about him. A truly weak competitor. Embarrassing unwillingness to contest shots.
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gosh...I guess you start Vuc....You need 3 bigs ANYWAY so he should probably get some minutes? I dunno....his D is just so bleah
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I very optimisticly guess that Smith has been getting DNPs lately cause they know they like him and have him under contract for 2 more years, while the other two they'd like to showcase for trade value, especially Vuc.
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League Circles wrote:Vuc is pretty good at being the last guy down the court and taking a wide open three from the top of the arc. That's as nice of a thing as I can say about him. A truly weak competitor. Embarrassing unwillingness to contest shots.
Literally had a nice block last game
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Vuc was +11 vs the Lakers with 2 blocks.
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You all have to stop making these extremely unhealthy threads and convos. Vuc is here. He is going to play, he is the team leader and best offensive center. He probably plays all of next year because he wants to stay and his market has dwindled. It feels like a kid being told he can't have ice cream and then he just keeps asking for ice cream. It's insufferable.
For every topic on the exciting future for the team there are 3 about why players are so bad. Is it just the tiktok/instagram hot take culture? It's unhealthy I can tell you that as a clinician.
For every topic on the exciting future for the team there are 3 about why players are so bad. Is it just the tiktok/instagram hot take culture? It's unhealthy I can tell you that as a clinician.
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I'd say all three options are probably pretty similar with slightly different things that annoy you about each of them.
I think Collins is probably the guy that fits this team the best, he has a much higher motor than Vuc and a better basketball IQ than Smith, and requires the least shots of the three guys, which probably best fits him in with the rest of the team. Smith probably fits the team the second most in terms of at least hustling and getting up and down the floor. Vuc is the most skilled of the three, but with a play style that hurts us the most defensively and in terms of speed.
Bulls likely aren't committed to any of these guys for any length of time, so no real reason to think long term with any of them.
I don't think there's a reason to try to pump up Vuc's trade value. His contract length and value is more or less the same as Collins (whom is slightly cheaper). If you are trading one of our centers for their on court value rather than their contract, then Collins is just as likely (perhaps more) to attract interest as Vuc.
I think Collins is probably the guy that fits this team the best, he has a much higher motor than Vuc and a better basketball IQ than Smith, and requires the least shots of the three guys, which probably best fits him in with the rest of the team. Smith probably fits the team the second most in terms of at least hustling and getting up and down the floor. Vuc is the most skilled of the three, but with a play style that hurts us the most defensively and in terms of speed.
Bulls likely aren't committed to any of these guys for any length of time, so no real reason to think long term with any of them.
I don't think there's a reason to try to pump up Vuc's trade value. His contract length and value is more or less the same as Collins (whom is slightly cheaper). If you are trading one of our centers for their on court value rather than their contract, then Collins is just as likely (perhaps more) to attract interest as Vuc.
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League Circles wrote:I don't particularly care who starts for the rest of this season. But IMO, Smith is the youngest, the best, and is on the best contract, so for me unless we make a trade or maybe if we draft Maluach or sign an unexpected FA with the MLE (which I can't really see), I want Smith starting next year for sure. Collins is roughly as good as him, but older, on a worse deal, and definitely less versatile defensively, where I think Smith is underrated.
Collins is a noticeably better athlete than Smith. And not exactly old at 27.
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dougthonus wrote:I'd say all three options are probably pretty similar with slightly different things that annoy you about each of them.
I think Collins is probably the guy that fits this team the best, he has a much higher motor than Vuc and a better basketball IQ than Smith, and requires the least shots of the three guys, which probably best fits him in with the rest of the team. Smith probably fits the team the second most in terms of at least hustling and getting up and down the floor. Vuc is the most skilled of the three, but with a play style that hurts us the most defensively and in terms of speed.
Bulls likely aren't committed to any of these guys for any length of time, so no real reason to think long term with any of them.
I don't think there's a reason to try to pump up Vuc's trade value. His contract length and value is more or less the same as Collins (whom is slightly cheaper). If you are trading one of our centers for their on court value rather than their contract, then Collins is just as likely (perhaps more) to attract interest as Vuc.
Collins could still be here after next season. Vuc definitely won’t be here after next season.
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Guru wrote:You all have to stop making these extremely unhealthy threads and convos.
It's unhealthy I can tell you that as a clinician.

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