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NesimLE wrote:

fleet wrote:

Bulls69 wrote:I’m glad Poles stuck to his guns Williams was the best prospect coming out of college it would have been a career wrecker for Poles if he would have drafted Jayden over Williams and Jayden most likely would have sucked under Flus.

All I know for a virtual fact is that Daniels would not have been sacked 68 times. And being bad with this metric is worse than turnovers according to Ben Johnson. Which I believe he is correct. Theres no such thing as a career wrecker if you do your homework and make the right choice. Keyword here…homework. It’s not even about which quarterback was chosen. It’s about not doing your job during the most important Bears moment in decades.

What do you think they spent that time doing instead? Probably arguing over whether to go LT, Edge, WR, or Bowers with 9? While I'm sure they had fun doing it, at least some bandwidth should've been spent on evaluating other QBs. It'd be nice to know more about JJ since he's in our division for example lol. Of course we know that the safest choice was for Poles to just go with Caleb, and as I've said, I don't have much of a problem with it if they at least did their due diligence on HIM. But there are so many examples of the Bears following a bad process, and while we've gotten lucky a few times, can't count on that to continue forever. And even to this point, it hasn't even resulted in a .500 season.

We're still in the EASY part of a rebuild...just making decently high draft picks, signing free agents, and resigning our best guys...we're running out of runway there, and things will get tough if we want to be a perennial playoff team, let alone an SB contender or champion. I think Poles has done a solid enough job in a vacuum of making some decent picks (but even then, there are some questionable ones that we can only let slide BECAUSE we're so bereft of talent, that adding it anywhere can be justified) but we need to see that come to fruition on the field...hopefully some of the new blood will help clean things up for us.

I’m trying to wrap my brain around what can make a GM punt on the field, and ride the favorite with the whole house. I gather from what is out there in media is that they spent their time gained trying to keep Caleb onboard with coming to Chicago while Caleb kept the Bears at arm’s length….So sorry about being unable to accept that invite to HH. Very difficult training and travel schedule. We’ll get back to you later Bears.

Speaking of doing due diligence on at least him, again, the Bears somehow picked out the OC Caleb had a problem with. Remarkable work, after that extensive conga line of interview candidates.

fleet wrote:

NesimLE wrote:

fleet wrote:All I know for a virtual fact is that Daniels would not have been sacked 68 times. And being bad with this metric is worse than turnovers according to Ben Johnson. Which I believe he is correct. Theres no such thing as a career wrecker if you do your homework and make the right choice. Keyword here…homework. It’s not even about which quarterback was chosen. It’s about not doing your job during the most important Bears moment in decades.

What do you think they spent that time doing instead? Probably arguing over whether to go LT, Edge, WR, or Bowers with 9? While I'm sure they had fun doing it, at least some bandwidth should've been spent on evaluating other QBs. It'd be nice to know more about JJ since he's in our division for example lol. Of course we know that the safest choice was for Poles to just go with Caleb, and as I've said, I don't have much of a problem with it if they at least did their due diligence on HIM. But there are so many examples of the Bears following a bad process, and while we've gotten lucky a few times, can't count on that to continue forever. And even to this point, it hasn't even resulted in a .500 season.

We're still in the EASY part of a rebuild...just making decently high draft picks, signing free agents, and resigning our best guys...we're running out of runway there, and things will get tough if we want to be a perennial playoff team, let alone an SB contender or champion. I think Poles has done a solid enough job in a vacuum of making some decent picks (but even then, there are some questionable ones that we can only let slide BECAUSE we're so bereft of talent, that adding it anywhere can be justified) but we need to see that come to fruition on the field...hopefully some of the new blood will help clean things up for us.

I’m trying to wrap my brain around what can make a GM punt on the field, and ride the favorite with the whole house. I gather from what is out there in media is that they spent their time gained trying to keep Caleb onboard with coming to Chicago while Caleb kept the Bears at arm’s length….So sorry about being unable to accept that invite to HH. Very difficult training and travel schedule. We’ll get back to you later Bears.

Speaking of doing due diligence on at least him, again, the Bears somehow picked out the OC Caleb had a problem with. Remarkable work, after that extensive conga line of interview candidates.

Sounds like a lot of gossip to me- trying to piece together snippets of information from here and there to make Poles look like he doesn't know what he's doing. I have every confidence that Poles and his staff did as much research as they needed to do when it came to deciding what to do with the #1 pick two years ago and it will be enjoyable watching him prove all his naysayers wrong in the coming years.

5/265 for purdy. bargain. thought he'd be easily over 300. of course, that was if he tested free agency. both he and the team seem to understand that by taking out the injury risk and signing early, a discount is expected. especially for a guy making relative peanuts now. a concept poles doesn't seem to get

The big news out of that whole thing to me is Poles has more guts than I thought. I thought the Keenan move was to get Caleb's buy in but it sounded like Poles just didn't give AF and was going to draft him regardless. I always thought there was something there with Caleb's dad not wanting him to be here and making a lot of noise about it. He never really stopped either he was posting Washington highlights and making jabs at our coaching through the season. I did think there was a split with Caleb and his dad though Caleb didn't seem near as strongly opposed but that could also be by design like his dad can more say what Caleb is thinking or maybe his dad is just going off.

I'd say overall they are right and the coaching did suck so I'm not going to be mad at them for seeing the truth of the situation but I think getting BJ on board and then adding Lovelace and Burden shows that this team is trying to follow the plan. Not scouting other QB I'd guess they've seen enough of Caleb to know weather or not they were taking him like it wasn't a close decision and the way generational was being spammed the rest of the football world seemed to agree and they also had the 9 pick that needed a lot of scouting so I don't mind this too much if they've already seen enough of Caleb to be convinced. I still don't think they were wrong either Caleb put up an impressive season behind one of the truly horrible offensive line and OC combinations, I think Caleb is fine and probably blows up this year but they were right to be leery of how the Bears develop QB's.

I'd also say I was really impressed with how tough Caleb was dealing with that last year but also as a pro he never really gave up on the field, he didn't blast anyone or ask out just went out there and did his job no matter how hard he was getting hit. For all of the stuff about painting his nails and all of that DJ was the princess. I think the Bears are in a good place now though with BJ and I like the pieces they have put around Caleb in the offense and I think they have solidified that line so I think they have shown real signs of wanting to turn this team around. I think it's better than most situations in the league and I think Caleb sees that. The timing of this is suspect but I kind of feel like the writer was more just sitting on a lot of obvious information that we already knew and put it together at a high attention time. I think Caleb is probably really happy with how things have turned out rather than putting out hit pieces on the Bears leadership.

Bear offered the Pats a 7th (to flip for Henderson) (58:32). So not that much of a priority. Wonder then what they are doing at 41. I imagine, still trading down.

draftking lines for all games from most to least favorable, home in bold:

-7.5 saints
-7.0 browns
-5.5 giants
-3.0 cowboys
-2.5 steelers
-1.5 vikings
-1.5 at raiders

+1.5 pack
+1.5 lions
+2.5 at vikings
+3.0 at bengals
+3.5 at pack
+3.5 at niners
+4.5 at WAS
+4.5 at lions
+7.0 at ravens
+7.0 at eagles

So basically all the "rumors" during the draft last year were true.
Just like a lot of the problems with the team construction itself that some of us tried to point out, those problems turned out to be true.

Gotta love it.

Welp, tomorrow is a new day.

Hopefully Ben can turn all of this ineptitude around.

dice wrote:draftking lines for all games from most to least favorable, home in bold:

-7.5 saints
-7.0 browns
-5.5 giants
-3.0 cowboys
-2.5 steelers
-1.5 vikings
-1.5 at raiders

+1.5 pack
+1.5 lions
+2.5 at vikings
+3.0 at bengals
+3.5 at pack
+3.5 at niners
+4.5 at WAS
+4.5 at lions
+7.0 at ravens
+7.0 at eagles

So Bears are only expected to win 7 games I guess. I think that will be a huge disappointment in everyone's book. I see the Packers are favored to beat them at Soldier Field. I think that's wrong- we beat them once last year, and should have beat them twice, and we've improved more than they have.

Not sure the Niners are going to be that good next season either- they lost a lot of players and didn't add back that much. And are getting old at some key positions.

Given the schedule, 9-10 wins will be tough, and maybe that's going to be a best case scenario, but with all the additions and upgrades we've made, I don't think it's unrealistic. I think the biggest question mark is how long it will take for the offense to click. There could be some growing pains with all the new pieces.

panthermark wrote:So basically all the "rumors" during the draft last year were true.
Just like a lot of the problems with the team construction itself that some of us tried to point out, those problems turned out to be true.

Gotta love it.

Welp, tomorrow is a new day.

Hopefully Ben can turn all of this ineptitude around.

What problems with team construction? I think everyone knew the o line was really iffy last year, and it turned out be to as bad as feared. Other than that, I don't think there were too many other big miscalculations. The d line didn't get fixed, but there were other priorities.

I think the D-Line could be improved, but much will depend on the development of Turner and Booker. I think we know we have solid production from Jarret, Billings, and Dexter. Dayo could be a low key, high value signing by Poles. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the team with the highest sack production in the league last year did not have a defender over 10 sacks.

Pressure is a TEAM concept. It's not to have a dangerous edge, but it pales in comparison to the overall team generating pressure which I expect to improve this year. With Billings healthy at some point and a young Turner rotating in, I expect the defensive line will be a bright spot.

WookieOnRitalin wrote:I think the D-Line could be improved, but much will depend on the development of Turner and Booker. I think we know we have solid production from Jarret, Billings, and Dexter. Dayo could be a low key, high value signing by Poles. As I've mentioned elsewhere, the team with the highest sack production in the league last year did not have a defender over 10 sacks.

Pressure is a TEAM concept. It's not to have a dangerous edge, but it pales in comparison to the overall team generating pressure which I expect to improve this year. With Billings healthy at some point and a young Turner rotating in, I expect the defensive line will be a bright spot.

And with Dennis Allen expect the defense to utilize the blitz from multiple angles. We will see more QB pressures this year. And more use of depth to keep legs fresh.

Dresden wrote:

dice wrote:draftking lines for all games from most to least favorable, home in bold:

-7.5 saints
-7.0 browns
-5.5 giants
-3.0 cowboys
-2.5 steelers
-1.5 vikings
-1.5 at raiders

+1.5 pack
+1.5 lions
+2.5 at vikings
+3.0 at bengals
+3.5 at pack
+3.5 at niners
+4.5 at WAS
+4.5 at lions
+7.0 at ravens
+7.0 at eagles

So Bears are only expected to win 7 games I guess. I think that will be a huge disappointment in everyone's book. I see the Packers are favored to beat them at Soldier Field. I think that's wrong- we beat them once last year, and should have beat them twice, and we've improved more than they have.

Not sure the Niners are going to be that good next season either- they lost a lot of players and didn't add back that much. And are getting old at some key positions.

Given the schedule, 9-10 wins will be tough, and maybe that's going to be a best case scenario, but with all the additions and upgrades we've made, I don't think it's unrealistic. I think the biggest question mark is how long it will take for the offense to click. There could be some growing pains with all the new pieces.

IMO there is a HUGE variance of outcomes that are tied to the year 2 development of Caleb. Anything resembling last season will result in 5 wins.

Dresden wrote:

dice wrote:draftking lines for all games from most to least favorable, home in bold:

-7.5 saints
-7.0 browns
-5.5 giants
-3.0 cowboys
-2.5 steelers
-1.5 vikings
-1.5 at raiders

+1.5 pack
+1.5 lions
+2.5 at vikings
+3.0 at bengals
+3.5 at pack
+3.5 at niners
+4.5 at WAS
+4.5 at lions
+7.0 at ravens
+7.0 at eagles

So Bears are only expected to win 7 games I guess. I think that will be a huge disappointment in everyone's book. I see the Packers are favored to beat them at Soldier Field. I think that's wrong- we beat them once last year, and should have beat them twice, and we've improved more than they have.

Not sure the Niners are going to be that good next season either- they lost a lot of players and didn't add back that much. And are getting old at some key positions.

Given the schedule, 9-10 wins will be tough, and maybe that's going to be a best case scenario, but with all the additions and upgrades we've made, I don't think it's unrealistic. I think the biggest question mark is how long it will take for the offense to click. There could be some growing pains with all the new pieces.

We can say 7 wins is a huge disappointment and 9 wins is a huge success, but the reality is that could be the difference between 2 calls or 2 bounces of the ball.

fleet wrote:

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I just can't believe the 6 billion dollar plan didn't go over!

I am absolutely tired of reading about the Bears ever-shifting "focus" on the stadium, but if they have actually relented on seeking public funding, that is significant.

Dresden wrote:

panthermark wrote:So basically all the "rumors" during the draft last year were true.
Just like a lot of the problems with the team construction itself that some of us tried to point out, those problems turned out to be true.

Gotta love it.

Welp, tomorrow is a new day.

Hopefully Ben can turn all of this ineptitude around.

What problems with team construction? I think everyone knew the o line was really iffy last year, and it turned out be to as bad as feared. Other than that, I don't think there were too many other big miscalculations. The d line didn't get fixed, but there were other priorities.

Sorry, that wasn't clear at all. I was reading several pages from the last thread and was too lazy to lay it all out.

From a team construction part I was thinking more from the previous QB (OL, RB, WR's, HC, OC), but then I was like....meh, water under the bridge, hopefully BJ has this.

What's with all of these guys suddenly claiming Loveland is the next Kelce? I heard that about Bowers before last year's draft. I didn't hear that about Loveland until we picked him. Greg Olsen: "There’s guys that you have to scheme open and then there’s guys that get themselves open. There’s not a lot of those guys—those are the Kelces and the Kittles and the real special guys. So, I think Loveland is that guy.”
link: https://www.chicitysports.com/colston-loveland-travis-kelce-chicago-bears I would've bought it if they had been saying that pre-draft. I can't buy it.

TheJordanRule wrote:What's with all of these guys suddenly claiming Loveland is the next Kelce? I heard that about Bowers before last year's draft. I didn't hear that about Loveland until we picked him. Greg Olsen: "There’s guys that you have to scheme open and then there’s guys that get themselves open. There’s not a lot of those guys—those are the Kelces and the Kittles and the real special guys. So, I think Loveland is that guy.”
link: https://www.chicitysports.com/colston-loveland-travis-kelce-chicago-bears I would've bought it if they had been saying that pre-draft. I can't buy it.

He's got a lot of potential. A lot will depend on how they use him. Kmet was criminally under-utilized last year I thought. We are going to have 5 legitimate weapons at WR and TE next season. If Caleb can learn the system and spread the ball around, the offense could be so much better than last year.

Dresden wrote:

TheJordanRule wrote:What's with all of these guys suddenly claiming Loveland is the next Kelce? I heard that about Bowers before last year's draft. I didn't hear that about Loveland until we picked him. Greg Olsen: "There’s guys that you have to scheme open and then there’s guys that get themselves open. There’s not a lot of those guys—those are the Kelces and the Kittles and the real special guys. So, I think Loveland is that guy.”
link: https://www.chicitysports.com/colston-loveland-travis-kelce-chicago-bears I would've bought it if they had been saying that pre-draft. I can't buy it.

He's got a lot of potential. A lot will depend on how they use him. Kmet was criminally under-utilized last year I thought. We are going to have 5 legitimate weapons at WR and TE next season. If Caleb can learn the system and spread the ball around, the offense could be so much better than last year.

The misuse of Kmet seemed to be from the top down. It was insane. I think that the Loveland thing is... a ton of hope in Ben making him into the weapon he could be. Less that he is a guarentee to be that IMHO. Who knows how Ben will be as a HC though, that is a complete guess.