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Who will be paid what?

- Vuc 1/10M. Gonezo.

- Huerter 2/24. Gonezo.

- Collins 1/8M. Gonezo.

- Ayo 3/40. Stays.

- Coby 4/120. Stays.

Obviously a lot depends on Coby. If he has a big year, it puts the Bulls in a tough spot. If they pay him, they're not keeping Ayo. If Coby costs too much, then they'll pay Ayo and maybe even keep Huerter. Huerter has an appealing age and shooting combination that will gain a lot of interest from contenders, so he may be tough to retain either way.

I predict Yuki will get a regular minimum contract.

Red Larrivee wrote:Obviously a lot depends on Coby. If he has a big year, it puts the Bulls in a tough spot. If they pay him, they're not keeping Ayo. If Coby costs too much, then they'll pay Ayo and maybe even keep Huerter. Huerter has an appealing age and shooting combination that will gain a lot of interest from contenders, so he may be tough to retain either way.

I think Bulls will keep Ayo and Coby unless they get blown away with a trade package for either.

I predict Coby, Huerter, and Collins will be a priority.
Basically the run it back plan.

Difficult to predict, it depends on what happens at the trade Deadline. If a Star Player becomes available, ending contracts could make a trade work.
In Case a Team ist willing to or ist forced to trade ITS Star Player, IT doesn't Matter which filling contract they get in Return: that trade means that they do plan to win now anyway.
Regarding those in their Last contract year: IT doesn't Matter, wheather they are on a cheap contract (Ayo) or on an expensive one (Vucevic, Huerter, Collins).

In Case that No trade happens at the Deadline/ No sign and trade over the Summer, I would Rank in Terms of Market value:
1 Coby
2 Collins
3 Ayo
4 Huerter
5 Vucevic
50 Terry
99 Phillips

In Case No trade involving our ending contracts happens, I expect (Not what I would do)
- Coby to get resigned (25 - 30 per year)
- Collins will sign elsewhere, since Akme will look at a Superior starting C
- Ayo will get resigned in favor of Huerter (unless Huerter increase His 3 pt % to 40)
- Vuc will get resigned (12 fort 2 years)
- Terry will get a min. contract (probably unwaranted)

Operating a perennial play-in team with 12 salary players doesn’t make sense to me, but welcome to the AK Bulls.

I think Vuc and Huerter need to move on, just to open minutes for younger players. Coby at $25M+ is a really tough pill to swallow. Ayo at $15M would also be poor value. If they spend $40M something on those two, we’d be paying a premium for a rotation of bottom-tier guards. I have a hard time putting Coby in the top-30. Ayo can be a wonderful role-player, but he’s not a reliable starter.

If he doesn’t show something special, resigning Dalen Terry makes no sense. Better off signing a gamble prospect from the G-League.

Early guess assuming solid season from each:

Coby: 4yrs/$140 mill. He's coming in asking 4 yrs/$160, they offer $120, meet in the middle again, re-signed
Huerter: 3yrs/$48 mill, team option last year, $16 mill AAV, gone
Ayo : 3 yrs/$30-36 mill, team option year 3 extension, re-signed
Collins: 2 yrs/$24 mill, may stay here splitting time with Smith, 50/50 2yrs/$20 mill if he stays here
Terry: Gone

Biggest difference from most of you:
Vucevic 3yrs/$45 mill. He's only 34, will not want a two year contract and that's not going to be much over mid-level. Gone.

Lot depend on who signs first and how many teams g after each player. As the money disappears, some of these players will end up with shorter term contracts and less money. Like Huerter between $10-$14 mill if he doesn't sign week 1 or 2.

As it stands, would rather extend Huerter to $10-$14 mill now and use Coby in a mega trade. We need Coby's playmaking and on ball creation now, but Huerter's a good fit next to Giddey and if we expect Matas to pick up playmaking and we add another star, Coby's playmaking won't be missed nearly as much.

Chi town wrote:Who will be paid what?

- Vuc 1/10M. Gonezo.

- Huerter 2/24. Gonezo.

- Collins 1/8M. Gonezo.

- Ayo 3/40. Stays.

- Coby 4/120. Stays.

My guess is Vuc will re-sign for 2 years with a PO for $13-18M per year, unless he's deadset on playing for a contender in which case we'll trade him for peanuts at the deadline.

Huerter and Collins we'll let walk.

Smith re-signs 2/$20M with a TO.

Ayo stays for 3/$45M

Terry re-signs 2/min, Phillips we let walk

I'll go outside the box and say we trade Coby at the deadline just 'cus we have so many damn guards. We get a late 1st, a decent young piece, a salary filler, and a 2nd rounder.

This is completely off the cuff, so I'll probably be way off lol

I think Buz will be a max contract player.

Seems like Coby’s market after all the latest signings will be 22-27. Let’s say 25.

Can see Ayo playing himself into 15M per.

Do we really want to pay 73M per year for that backcourt?

I think so because they are so varied in their size and skill sets and can play up and down the lineup. We also know Billy will always go small and not big too which means Tre and Ayo will be playing lots.

I’m also buying Ayo and Giddey’s 3 ball. It’s cleaner quicker and they are shooting it more decisively and with confidence. Think we will see a good climb in volume especially when Coby returns and opens the floor up more.

Chi town wrote:I think Buz will be a max contract player.

Seems like Coby’s market after all the latest signings will be 22-27. Let’s say 25.

Can see Ayo playing himself into 15M per.

Do we really want to pay 73M per year for that backcourt?

I think so because they are so varied in their size and skill sets and can play up and down the lineup. We also know Billy will always go small and not big too which means Tre and Ayo will be playing lots.

I’m also buying Ayo and Giddey’s 3 ball. It’s cleaner quicker and they are shooting it more decisively and with confidence. Think we will see a good climb in volume especially when Coby returns and opens the floor up more.

I'll be optimistic that Buz is a no-brainer MAX player, but he's still got a way to go.

Coby is gonna be interesting if is injury lingers.

I'd be thrilled if Ayo showed he was a keeper. He has a lot to prove, but looks like he'll get a shot to show us with Coby out.

That said, we need a player better than Coby on offense to be our true #1 and I have trouble seeing a roster featuring Giddey/Coby/new #1 option being anything other than a defensive problem. Now who is that guy? IDK, but someone like that seems to become available every season. If it's a guy who is also a good defender like Giannis, well, problem solved, but it will take one of our new 3 in that deal likely. If it's a guy like KAT, then you have a problem.

sco wrote:

Chi town wrote:I think Buz will be a max contract player.

Seems like Coby’s market after all the latest signings will be 22-27. Let’s say 25.

Can see Ayo playing himself into 15M per.

Do we really want to pay 73M per year for that backcourt?

I think so because they are so varied in their size and skill sets and can play up and down the lineup. We also know Billy will always go small and not big too which means Tre and Ayo will be playing lots.

I’m also buying Ayo and Giddey’s 3 ball. It’s cleaner quicker and they are shooting it more decisively and with confidence. Think we will see a good climb in volume especially when Coby returns and opens the floor up more.

I'll be optimistic that Buz is a no-brainer MAX player, but he's still got a way to go.

Coby is gonna be interesting if is injury lingers.

I'd be thrilled if Ayo showed he was a keeper. He has a lot to prove, but looks like he'll get a shot to show us with Coby out.

That said, we need a player better than Coby on offense to be our true #1 and I have trouble seeing a roster featuring Giddey/Coby/new #1 option being anything other than a defensive problem. Now who is that guy? IDK, but someone like that seems to become available every season. If it's a guy who is also a good defender like Giannis, well, problem solved, but it will take one of our new 3 in that deal likely. If it's a guy like KAT, then you have a problem.

I’m looking at a little bit differently…

I think Buz will be our #1.
I think Giddey with a real defensive C and vertical lob threat opens up the court and offense even more for us. I think we get that guy before next season as evidenced by AK wanting to draft Beringer this past draft.
I think Coby and Ayo stick around and AK builds a depth team that will be a blast to watch. We become a solid playoff team with 2nd round and ECF ceiling. If Buz becomes an MVP type or Noa becomes an All Star we become contenders.

I’d prefer we get one more lottery pick and get one more top tier prospect swing but I know AK won’t do that unless we are decimated by injuries.

Chi town wrote:

sco wrote:

Chi town wrote:I think Buz will be a max contract player.

Seems like Coby’s market after all the latest signings will be 22-27. Let’s say 25.

Can see Ayo playing himself into 15M per.

Do we really want to pay 73M per year for that backcourt?

I think so because they are so varied in their size and skill sets and can play up and down the lineup. We also know Billy will always go small and not big too which means Tre and Ayo will be playing lots.

I’m also buying Ayo and Giddey’s 3 ball. It’s cleaner quicker and they are shooting it more decisively and with confidence. Think we will see a good climb in volume especially when Coby returns and opens the floor up more.

I'll be optimistic that Buz is a no-brainer MAX player, but he's still got a way to go.

Coby is gonna be interesting if is injury lingers.

I'd be thrilled if Ayo showed he was a keeper. He has a lot to prove, but looks like he'll get a shot to show us with Coby out.

That said, we need a player better than Coby on offense to be our true #1 and I have trouble seeing a roster featuring Giddey/Coby/new #1 option being anything other than a defensive problem. Now who is that guy? IDK, but someone like that seems to become available every season. If it's a guy who is also a good defender like Giannis, well, problem solved, but it will take one of our new 3 in that deal likely. If it's a guy like KAT, then you have a problem.

I’m looking at a little bit differently…

I think Buz will be our #1.
I think Giddey with a real defensive C and vertical lob threat opens up the court and offense even more for us. I think we get that guy before next season as evidenced by AK wanting to draft Beringer this past draft.
I think Coby and Ayo stick around and AK builds a depth team that will be a blast to watch. We become a solid playoff team with 2nd round and ECF ceiling. If Buz becomes an MVP type or Noa becomes an All Star we become contenders.

I’d prefer we get one more lottery pick and get one more top tier prospect swing but I know AK won’t do that unless we are decimated by injuries.

I like your optimism! Solves a lot of problems.

Chi town wrote:- Ayo 3/40. Stays.

- Coby 4/120. Stays.

Those are plausible. The thing is, assuming those to be the future deals, I would be content with Ayo and using Coby's money in other ways. For example, Ayo and a mobile big man who can hold down the paint, to me, has more value than Coby and a scrap heap big.

I just don't think we can afford everything we might want.

DuckIII wrote:

Chi town wrote:- Ayo 3/40. Stays.

- Coby 4/120. Stays.

Those are plausible. The thing is, assuming those to be the future deals, I would be content with Ayo and using Coby's money in other ways. For example, Ayo and a mobile big man who can hold down the paint, to me, has more value than Coby and a scrap heap big.

I just don't think we can afford everything we might want.

After all these contracts were just signed I will be shocked if Coby gets 30. He will have to play 70 games like he did his last 20. I don’t think he will have the usage due to Buz with a bigger role and Ayo and Giddey getting more shots.