OT: D. Howard/ G.Oden

[sdeezy]

I was watching 1st and 10 on Espn this morning and Greg Anthony was on talking about the Blazers. He said that in the future, nobody will dominate the paint like Oden would and added "No disrespect to Dwight Howard". Now, i think Oden will be a great player but D12 is averaging 22 and 15 without an offensive repertoire and he's 22. I'm an nba maniac and i just found it a bit disconcerting that someone who hasnt scored a single point in the league yet is being called the next Bill Russell and is said to be better than a current mvp candidate and the league's best young bigman..what do u guys think?

[tclg]

I would trade the whole team for dwight howard and sign scrubs from the d league

[kyrv]

We don't know what Oden will do, on either end.

I think it's expected Oden will be more of a defensive presence than Howard, but not sure if that is what it meant.

Dwight Howard - really really good.

[Hold That]

I can garuntee Oden will not be as good of a rebounder nor a scorer as Dwight Howard.

Plus he's comming off a serious injury, and I'm pretty sure he'll never be the same.

Look at Amare for example, he's a great player still but he's not the same as he once was.

[Red Larrivee]

i think Oden will be good, and he's definitely franchise/superstar potential. But coming back from microfracture isn't easy. And especially with him lifting hard and putting all that new weight on his legs, it could be real tough.

Until Oden plays, you gotta take Howard. Anthony just getting ahead of himself here.

[DuckIII]

Dwight Howard is the best and most important young player in the NBA - above even LeBron James - and is a literal lock to be one of the top 5 centers in the history of the game. Indeed, at his current rate of development, he has a legitimate shot at being the absolute best center in history.

The other day I watched a replay of an Illinois/LSU game on BigTen Network in which Shaq was playing. I got news for you, Howard is so much stronger and faster than Shaq was at a young age that its just downright frightening.

Greg Oden is slower, weaker, and less explosive than Howard and always will be. He's most likely going to be an elite big man and a super player, but the world still just hasn't quite figured out just how insanely dominant and frightening Dwight Howard is yet.

Players are referred to as "unstoppable" an awful lot, but its rarely true. Dwight Howard really is unstoppable and he's nowhere near his ceiling as a player.

[Art Vandelay]

It wouldn't be the first stupid thing Greg Anthony has said. How you could taken an unproven, injured, 1 year college player over one of the best players in the league is kind of strange to say the least.

[ikeziskash]

Dwight Howard is the best and most important young player in the NBA - above even LeBron James - and is a literal lock to be one of the top 5 centers in the history of the game. Indeed, at his current rate of development, he has a legitimate shot at being the absolute best center in history.

The other day I watched a replay of an Illinois/LSU game on BigTen Network in which Shaq was playing. I got news for you, Howard is so much stronger and faster than Shaq was at a young age that its just downright frightening.

Greg Oden is slower, weaker, and less explosive than Howard and always will be. He's most likely going to be an elite big man and a super player, but the world still just hasn't quite figured out just how insanely dominant and frightening Dwight Howard is yet.

Players are referred to as "unstoppable" an awful lot, but its rarely true. Dwight Howard really is unstoppable and he's nowhere near his ceiling as a player.

And many people, including myself, wondered if Orlando shouldn't have taken Okafor instead. Howard vs. Oden matchups will be very interesting to watch.

Would you take him over Yao Duck?

[fudgie]

I would take Howard over Oden every day of the week. He's already one of the best rebounders in the league. A damn good scorer and getting better and his defense is pretty good. No microfracture surger either.

Howard could be averaging 30 and 15 not too long from now. Damn that's scary.

[sdeezy]

Dwight Howard is the best and most important young player in the NBA - above even LeBron James - and is a literal lock to be one of the top 5 centers in the history of the game. Indeed, at his current rate of development, he has a legitimate shot at being the absolute best center in history.

The other day I watched a replay of an Illinois/LSU game on BigTen Network in which Shaq was playing. I got news for you, Howard is so much stronger and faster than Shaq was at a young age that its just downright frightening.

Greg Oden is slower, weaker, and less explosive than Howard and always will be. He's most likely going to be an elite big man and a super player, but the world still just hasn't quite figured out just how insanely dominant and frightening Dwight Howard is yet.

Players are referred to as "unstoppable" an awful lot, but its rarely true. Dwight Howard really is unstoppable and he's nowhere near his ceiling as a player.

Thate what i was thinking. The Magic aren't on national TV enough. People dont get to see the guy play. I mean they mention his stats, you hear 30 pts and 23 rebounds and you say wow. Its the way he gets the 30+ points that is mind-boggling. He doesnt have a low post game or a jumpshot, he just dominates everything within the paint and it's so so hard to box him out. He's a hard worker and he's only gonna get better. I shudder at the thought of him developing a mid range shot

[NLK]

I would take Howard over Oden every day of the week. He's already one of the best rebounders in the league. A damn good scorer and getting better and his defense is pretty good. No microfracture surger either.

My sentiments exactly! (Keep in mind I'm biased right now. I'm hating on the blazers right now because they won).

[Johnston797]

Dwight Howard is a literal lock to be one of the top 5 centers in the history of the game. Indeed, at his current rate of development, he has a legitimate shot at being the absolute best center in history.

Russell, Chamberlain, Hakeem, Shaq and David Robinson beg to differ.

[ppilot]

I can garuntee Oden will not be as good of a rebounder nor a scorer as Dwight Howard.

Plus he's comming off a serious injury, and I'm pretty sure he'll never be the same.

Look at Amare for example, he's a great player still but he's not the same as he once was.

There is a big difference between the Microfracture surgury Amare had vs Oden. Oden's problem area was less than the size of a dime, very minor compared to Amare. Also his Rehab is going much better than any could have imagined and is way ahead of schedule. With that said, the blazers are not going to make the same mistake the Sun's did with rushing Amare back. The Blazers GM has repeatedly said there is no way Oden will play this year, even if the Blazers make the playoffs. Overall they are predicting a 100% recovery.

[Johnston797]

The other day I watched a replay of an Illinois/LSU game on BigTen Network in which Shaq was playing. I got news for you, Howard is so much stronger and faster than Shaq was at a young age that its just downright frightening.

p.s. Shaq was putting up 29ppg in the association when he was younger than Howard is now plus could pass the ball.

[Fenix]

I agree with everything that was said about Howard, but I'd say Oden's athletic potential was just as good as Howard's - at least before his knee injury. He doesn't have that ridiculous shoulders and will therefore never be as strong, but considering his athleticism before he even started an NBA strength program, I'd say they are/were pretty close as far as ceiling goes.

[DuckIII]

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And many people, including myself, wondered if Orlando shouldn't have taken Okafor instead. Howard vs. Oden matchups will be very interesting to watch.

Would you take him over Yao Duck?

Who, Howard? Absolutely. I'd take him over everyone. There isn't a single player in the NBA that I wouldn't offer up in a trade to acquire Dwight Howard.

[DuckIII]

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Russell, Chamberlain, Hakeem, Shaq and David Robinson beg to differ.

LOL at David Robinson vs. Dwight Howard.

Guys from different eras will always be hard to compare, which essentially makes Russell and Chamberlain untouchable. But no one on that list has the talent of Dwight Howard.

He has Robinson's athleticism (and then some), coupled with Shaq's strength and the speed of a small forward.

[DuckIII]

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p.s. Shaq was putting up 29ppg in the association when he was younger than Howard is now plus could pass the ball.

If Orlando wanted him to, Howard would put up those scoring numbers too. Shaq did that on 19.6 fga per game. Howard is putting up 22.6 on a measely 12.7 fga per game - which is less shots per game than either Hedo or Lewis put up, and only 2 more shots per game than Jameer Nelson takes.

And Shaq didn't have that passing ability early in his career. He developed it. Its what ended up turning him into a champion instead of just a force.

Regardless, I wasn't comparing their quality at this age. I was comparing their strength and speed. Howard's is better.

[logical_art]

Players are referred to as "unstoppable" an awful lot, but its rarely true. Dwight Howard really is unstoppable and he's nowhere near his ceiling as a player.

Unstoppable? He's averaging 1.2 points more than our own immortal Ben Gordan did last season. Let's not get carried away.

[Johnston797]

LOL at David Robinson vs. Dwight Howard. .

It's not all about brute force in the paint on O.

And Shaq didn't have that passing ability early in his career. He developed it. Its what ended up turning him into a champion instead of just a force.

Look at the Assist to TO ratio. Shaq was basically 1 to 1 at age 21. Howard is 1 to 2.