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I would to that trade based on these facts:

1) Crawford is taller
2) Crawford is more athletic
3) We already have a true PG in Duhon
4) Crawford is a clutch player
5) Crawford now knows how to play defense after playing under Larry Brown

I wouldn't.

We can get more value than Crawford. Would he even want to come back?

i'd do it if isiah throws in a first round pick and a pick swap

yeah if he throws in a first rounder I would find it hard to say no

3) We already have a true backup PG in Duhon

And that is relevant because?

I think Isaiah may end up being our best trading partner again. The Knicks have talents, but they have underachieved at this point. The Knicks are a team that probably would not mind shaking things right now. There are a couple of guys who can do very well in our system. What about Curry, Jamal, Marty Collins and Richardson for Hinrich, Nocioni, Noah and Thabo?

Starting Line-up:

Duhon
Crawford
Curry
Deng
Wallace

Bench:

Gordon
Collins
Richardson
Joe Smith
Tyrus Thomas

We probably would have to get rid of Paxson in order for Crawford and Curry to want to come back. I am not against it.

1) Crawford is taller
2) Crawford is more athletic
3) We already have a true PG in Duhon
4) Crawford is a clutch player
5) Crawford now knows how to play defense after playing under Larry Brown

1) Crawford plays really small. He wouldn't give us the big guard we need because he's so thin and doesn't have the strength to do the things we want otu of a big guard.

2) I don't know if he is. It depends how you rate athleticism. He probably can out leap Hinrich, but he doesn't seem to have as good lateral quickness.

3) Duhon does nothing to create offense for other players. People call him a true PG because he always passes the ball, but his lack of ability to break down his man stops him from ever creating good looks for other players. His assists are usually just cheap ones where he passes to a guy who shoots a 20 foot jumper and might make it. He turns the ball over rarely because he takes no risks with the ball. That may sound good, but it means he's not creating any good looks for the team either. When he's at his best on offense he's not hurting the team there. When he's not at his best he really hurts everyone else. I'm not sure what this has to do with swapping Crawford and Hinrich anyway.

4) He might be because Hinrich is decidedly not clutch. However, Crawford has never been particularly good in the clutch either and has never really had to play in meaningful basketball games. He's never even been on a team in a playoff race. He's typically played his best ball when his team is eliminated from the playoffs.

5) He's still an awful defender.

The Knicks don't have talent. Crawford is horrible. Hinrich is in a slump.

Career stats for Crawford:
13.9p 40.1%fg 34.1%4p 4.0a 2.7r 2.1to

Career stats for Hinrich:
14.7p 41.1%fg 37.5%3p 6.4a 3.6r 2.4to

Hinrich is also the much better defender, even on taller players. I have absolutely no idea what people see in Crawful at this point.

Hinrich is sucking it up in the clutch this year, but so is Crawful:
28.1%fg 31.3%efg
http://www.82games.com/0708/07NYK3E.HTM

we let go of crawford as an addition by subtraction move. i would be happy to take him back for hinrich and the knicks first rounder this year unprotected. then we buy him out.

I would do the trade if the pick was included - and ONLY if the pick was included unprotected.

Hinrich is BYC & I dont think it can be an even swap - but since any trade is unlikely, I'm not bothering to find one that works

Tyrusaurus

You are the opposite of a GM, period. Nobody supports your statement. If you like this trade, Knicks board right around the corner.

Nonononononononononono NO!!!

Jamal has some of the worst shot selection I've ever seen and he still plays lousy defense. He also isn't any better at playmaking than Kirk is.

I believe I saw something in the paper recently that said that Crawford has played the most NBA games among all active players without ever making the postseason. Now, while obviously that can't be laid entirely -- or even mainly -- at his feet, the Knicks have regressed since they signed him, while the Bulls have gotten a lot better since he left. He's still too young to write off, but it's entirely possible he may simply be one of those players who puts up good numbers but doesn't make his teammates -- or his team -- any better.

I also don't know if he could play with BG. Both of them need the ball so they can get their shots. Crawford is averaging more than 16 FGA this season. People scream that Kirk shoots to much and ignores Gordon and Deng -- but Hinrich averages 5 FEWER FGA per game than des Jamal.

Then there's Crawford's tendency to turn the ball over. Again, people yell about Hinrich's dumb turnovers. Crawford is averaging almost 3 turnovers per game this season and has a career A/TO ratio of below 2:1.

Then there's his shooting percentage. I will give it to him that he hits a bunch of clutch shots -- although since he's the one who usually ends up taking these types of shots, that isn't horribly surprising. Is his clutch FG% really all that good? I'm gonna go look it up.... But his career shooting percentages are 40.1% overall and 34.1% from the 3-point line -- which are both LOWER than Hinrich's career numbers.

Oh and I looked up Jamal's clutch FG% on 82games.com for this season -- it is 28.1%. Which is better than Kirk's horrid number in that stat, but it still doesn't exactly scream great in the clutch. Last season, Jamal's FG% in the "clutch" was 40.5% and in 2005-06 it was 39%.

Jamal appears to be a good guy and it's too bad that he's on such a lousy team. But Kirk, even with all his struggles this season, is the better all-around player, and is a much better fit for the Bulls than Jamal would be.

But, hey, he's got that neat 'throw it to myself off the backboard and dunk it' trick. Seriously....no thanks and I'm no Hinrich fan.

Been there, done that.

Hinrich is starter quality despite his flaws.
Crawford is not.
The bulls have a scoring sixth man SG already.
Do you really want to see Du play 35 mpg?

I'm not sure what part of this you thought was a good idea.

No. For pretty much the same reasons doug listed.

I would not want JC. Give Hinrich a true 2 guard next to him and he gets much better. He has been such a victim of the "midget backcourt" problem.

ptpablo wrote:I would not want JC. Give Hinrich a true 2 guard next to him and he gets much better. He has been such a victim of the "midget backcourt" problem.

Well, I object to that. Hinrich has actually been guarding opposing points and is being given plenty of space recently. He is still playing poorly.

Hinrich doesn't slash through the defense or create a lot of offense as a PG. I really don't see how the SG affects that.

Bad trade: Kirk is a better defender and JC is still a streaky shooter who can't defend well. JC doesn't take it to the lane like one would imagine. So no way jose!