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N.O Lookin' 4 Bench help, How Bout Duhon/V.K. for Mo Pete?
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:00 pm
by The ROY
6"7 SG that can shoot the 3? Three years left on his contract though while VK & Duhon expire this offseason.
G Hinrich / Gordon
G Peterson / Sefolosha
F Deng / Nocioni
F Smith / Noah / Thomas
C Wallace / Gray
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Chicago Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -1.5 ppg, -3.2 rpg, and -3.4 apg.
Incoming Players
Morris Peterson
6-7 SG / SF from Michigan State
9.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.1 apg in 26.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Viktor Khryapa
6-9 SF from Ukraine (Foreign)
5.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 16.8 minutes
Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
5.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.5 apg in 22.1 minutes
New Orleans Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +1.5 ppg, +3.2 rpg, and +3.4 apg.
Incoming Players
Viktor Khryapa
6-9 SF from Ukraine (Foreign)
5.0 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.0 apg in 16.8 minutes
Chris Duhon
6-1 PG from Duke
5.7 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 3.5 apg in 22.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Morris Peterson
6-7 SG / SF from Michigan State
9.2 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 1.1 apg in 26.1 minutes
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:03 pm
by SportsWorld
Why would we start Mo Pete over Gordon? We need a big man.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:04 pm
by The ROY
SportsWorld wrote:Why would we start Mo Pete over Gordon? We need a big man.
We start Duhon over Gordon..
And the LAST thing we need is a big man. We have bigs, they just need to play. Unless we're talking about Gasol/J.O. types here.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:04 pm
by SportsWorld
The ROY wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
And the LAST thing we need is a big man.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:08 pm
by dougthonus
In the context of this trade, he's completely right.
If we are doing a minor trade then picking up a big guard is a much bigger priority than a big man.
We need an all-star big man. A journeyman big man would just further muck up our roster with similar options.
A big shooting guard who's decent, but not great, would still fill a void for us.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:10 pm
by dougthonus
That being said, I haven't watched the Hornets this year yet, so I have no idea how Peterson is playing. My gut tells me that if the Hornets are willing to do this trade that we likely want no part of it.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:12 pm
by 2poor
Highly highly doubt Mo Pete's name is even coming up, Hornets are really looking for bench-for-bench swaps more than anything else.
Rasual Butler is the main guy they're trying to unload.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:13 pm
by The ROY
2poor wrote:Highly highly doubt Mo Pete's name is even coming up, Hornets are really looking for bench-for-bench swaps more than anything else.
Rasual Butler is the main guy they're trying to unload.
do you know anything about Mo Pete's production this year?
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:14 pm
by dougthonus
Butler is awful. I sure wouldn't be looking to acquire him.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:16 pm
by SportsWorld
This Season:
Gordon:
19.5 PPG 3.90 RPG 2.8 APG
Peterson: 9.2 PPG 3.30 RPG 1.1 APG
Duhon: 5.6 PPG 1.90 RPG
3.5 APG
Shooting %:
Peterson: 40%
Gordon: 42%
Duhon: 38%
Morris Peterson's Career Stats:
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Season Ag Tm Lg G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
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2000-01 23 TOR NBA 80 22.6 3.6 8.4 0.8 2.1 1.3 1.8 1.4 1.8 3.2 1.3 0.8 0.3 1.0 2.1 9.3
2001-02 24 TOR NBA 63 31.6 5.3 12.2 1.3 3.7 2.0 2.7 1.4 2.1 3.5 2.4 1.2 0.2 1.4 2.8 14.0
2002-03 25 TOR NBA 82 36.0 5.1 13.1 1.4 4.2 2.4 3.0 1.2 3.2 4.4 2.3 1.1 0.4 1.6 2.8 14.1
2003-04 26 TOR NBA 82 26.2 2.9 7.2 1.5 4.1 0.9 1.1 0.4 2.8 3.2 1.4 1.1 0.2 0.8 2.5 8.3
2004-05 27 TOR NBA 82 30.6 4.3 10.3 1.6 4.1 2.3 2.8 0.9 3.3 4.1 2.1 1.1 0.2 1.1 2.7 12.5
2005-06 28 TOR NBA 82 38.3 5.8 13.4 2.2 5.5 2.9 3.6 0.8 3.9 4.6 2.3 1.3 0.2 1.5 2.7 16.8
2006-07 29 TOR NBA 71 21.3 3.1 7.3 1.5 4.2 1.2 1.7 0.5 2.9 3.3 0.7 0.6 0.2 0.7 1.8 8.9
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7 Seasons 542 29.6 4.3 10.3 1.5 4.0 1.9 2.4 0.9 2.9 3.8 1.8 1.0 0.2 1.2 2.5 12.0
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Season Ag Tm Lg G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+------------------+----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
2004-05 21 CHI NBA 82 24.4 5.3 12.9 1.6 4.0 2.8 3.3 0.7 2.0 2.6 2.0 0.6 0.1 2.3 2.7 15.1
2005-06 22 CHI NBA 80 31.0 6.1 14.4 2.1 4.8 2.6 3.4 0.5 2.2 2.7 3.0 0.9 0.1 2.3 3.0 16.9
2006-07 23 CHI NBA 82 33.0 7.4 16.3 1.9 4.6 4.6 5.4 0.4 2.7 3.1 3.6 0.8 0.2 3.0 3.1 21.4
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3 Seasons 244 29.5 6.3 14.5 1.9 4.5 3.4 4.0 0.5 2.3 2.8 2.9 0.8 0.1 2.5 2.9 17.8
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Season Ag Tm Lg G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+------------------+----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
2004-05 22 CHI NBA 82 26.5 2.1 6.0 1.1 3.2 0.6 0.8 0.3 2.3 2.6 4.9 1.0 0.0 1.5 2.5 5.9
2005-06 23 CHI NBA 74 29.1 2.9 7.3 1.4 3.8 1.6 1.9 0.4 2.6 3.0 5.0 0.9 0.0 1.6 2.1 8.7
2006-07 24 CHI NBA 78 24.4 2.5 6.2 1.1 3.1 1.0 1.3 0.3 1.9 2.2 4.0 0.9 0.1 1.3 1.9 7.2
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3 Seasons 234 26.7 2.5 6.4 1.2 3.4 1.0 1.3 0.3 2.3 2.6 4.6 0.9 0.1 1.5 2.2 7.2
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Season Ag Tm Lg G MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
+------------------+----+----+----+----+---+----+----+----+----+----+----+----+---+---+---+---+----+
2004-05 22 POR NBA 32 16.3 1.7 3.9 0.1 0.3 0.7 1.3 0.9 2.5 3.4 0.8 0.6 0.6 1.0 2.5 4.2
2005-06 23 POR NBA 69 21.6 2.3 5.0 0.1 0.4 1.1 1.6 1.7 2.8 4.4 1.3 0.7 0.4 1.2 3.0 5.8
2006-07 24 CHI NBA 33 7.0 0.8 2.1 0.0 0.2 0.6 0.8 0.6 1.1 1.7 0.6 0.3 0.0 0.5 1.6 2.2
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3 Seasons 134 16.8 1.8 4.0 0.1 0.4 0.9 1.3 1.2 2.3 3.5 1.0 0.6 0.4 1.0 2.6 4.6
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Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:17 pm
by 2poor
The ROY wrote:do you know anything about Mo Pete's production this year?
He's been inconsistent at times, but his production is about what everyone was expecting.
Peterson is our fifth option on offense. He's an average player receiving an average salary.(the mid-level being the average NBA player's salary) Statistically, he produces the average amount one would expect a Shooting Guard to produce per minute.
He's also producing exactly what could be expected from him. After their 4th year, most players have generally established their average. Peterson is in his 8th year and here is his production:
This season:
41.7% FG 37.2% 3pt 84.2% FT 3.2 Rebounds, .92 Steals, .58 Turnovers, 1.73 Fouls, 1.1 Assists, and 9.2 Points in 25.2 Minutes.
His Career Stats:
42.1% FG 37.1% 3pt 78.4% FT 3.8 Rebounds, 1.01 Steals, 1.14 Turnovers, 2.45 Fouls, 1.7 Assists and 11.5 Points in 29.4 Minutes
Surprise. They are essentially the same. We wanted a guy who could defend and stick 3-pointers at a decent clip. That's what Mo does. He was a good signing and certainly isn't at risk of being traded anytime soon. He loves it in NO as well, and the fans/community have embraced him.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:18 pm
by The ROY
You could even Swap V.K. for Thabo and see if they'd throw in a pick.
Duhon goes back home and becomes C.P's back-up. V.K. or Thabo may blossom in Byron Scott's system.
Good to see him working out for ya'll though.
just a thought
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 6:41 pm
by ptpablo
I would rather some other starting SG than Mo Pete. Do not know why, but have never been a fan.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 10:40 pm
by sarah42
they aren't looking to trade Mo. he and peja are working well together.
i won't be surprised if they look to trade him in the final year of his contract, but despite the 6 or so game slump he's had before last night game against gs, he's been playing well, and has had some clutch moments.
the starters on the hornets are actually the most efficient after the celtics five, but that probably has a little to do with the HORRIBLE bench, but they also have great chemistry.
he's a good vet, but he's not needed by the bulls. he has size over duhon, but the hornets shouldn't be looking to trade him. they just signed him. and so far the hornets are 22-11, one game behind world champion Spurs, and tied for 3rd in the west.
his defense is much better this year though. so he's not a liability when his his shot isn't falling. they are such a fun team to watch, and i don't think they want to disrupt the starting five. the bench though...dear god help them!
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 10:47 pm
by BrooklynBulls
We couldn't trade for Mo anyway. He's just too expensive with all our luxury concerns. Well, we couldn't trade Mo for Duhon and VK, because they're expiring. I would trade Smith for Mo, though.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 11:05 pm
by sarah42
^ why would you want to trade Mo for Smith? thats seems silly.
the bulls don't have enough post presence. why would you want a streaky shooter, you have enough of those?
smith may be a stop gap, but you still need some kind of post presence to get back into the playoff race, and in reality, i think you guys can get into the playoffs. after boston, detroit and orlando, everyone else is play .500 ball.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 11:21 pm
by JGeils
It's a pity what happened to Butler. He really had talent but never did anything with it, and hasn't improved much beyond the usual, "I'm getting older and stronger and, without trying to be, smarter"-stuff. The guy is going to 28 this spring, and he should be enjoying his prime. Instead ... bleh.
He hasn't played in two games in a row. He does boast some nifty "45" wristbands.
Posted: Sat Jan 5, 2008 11:52 pm
by Ben
I would have loved to have gotten Mo Pete in here during the offseason. Raja Bell would be better b/c he defends better, but Peterson is still a tall SG who can defend decently -- well, not so great any more but probably better than Gordon against big 2s-- and can shoot the 3. Given that I would like to see BG play PG more often and just work through his issues there (and I don't care about making the playoffs this year) I would give up Duhon and Khryapa for Mo.
But New Orleans wouldn't do it; they just made a big pitch to sign him this offseason, and he's not playing worse than they could have expected. Why would they undo that now?