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According to Chicago Tribune, link at hoopshype.com, they want Nocioni involved in a trade for Gasol.

Memphis Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -17.0 ppg, -0.2 rpg, and -3.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Joakim Noah
6-11 PF from Florida
4.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.2 minutes
Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
13.6 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.2 apg in 25.5 minutes
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
4.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 32.9 minutes
(2008 Lottery Protected Pick)

Outgoing Players
Hakim Warrick
6-9 SF / PF from Syracuse
7.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 13.5 minutes
Damon Stoudamire
5-10 PG from Arizona
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.8 apg in 21.3 minutes
Stromile Swift
6-10 PF from Louisiana State
7.2 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.7 apg in 16.8 minutes
Pau Gasol
7-0 PF from Spain (Foreign)
17.9 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 2.7 apg in 36.1 minutes


Chicago Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +17.0 ppg, +0.2 rpg, and +3.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Hakim Warrick
6-9 SF / PF from Syracuse
7.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 13.5 minutes
Damon Stoudamire
5-10 PG from Arizona
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 3.8 apg in 21.3 minutes
Stromile Swift
6-10 PF from Louisiana State
7.2 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.7 apg in 16.8 minutes
Pau Gasol
7-0 PF from Spain (Foreign)
17.9 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 2.7 apg in 36.1 minutes

Outgoing Players
Joakim Noah
6-11 PF from Florida
4.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.2 minutes
Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
13.6 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.2 apg in 25.5 minutes
Ben Wallace
6-9 C from Virginia Union
4.5 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 2.0 apg in 32.9 minutes
2008 (Lottery Protected Pick)



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Chicago Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +6.5 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and +1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
Juan Carlos Navarro
6-3 SG from Spain (Foreign)
9.8 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 2.0 apg in 22.3 minutes
Andre Brown
6-9 PF from DePaul
1.9 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.2 apg in 5.5 minutes
Hakim Warrick
6-9 SF / PF from Syracuse
7.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 0.2 apg in 13.5 minutes
Pau Gasol
7-0 PF from Spain (Foreign)
17.9 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 2.7 apg in 36.1 minutes
Outgoing Players
Thabo Sefolosha
6-5 SG from Switzerland (Foreign)
2.6 ppg, 1.9 rpg, 0.8 apg in 10.5 minutes
Joakim Noah
6-11 PF from Florida
4.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 0.9 apg in 12.2 minutes
Joe Smith
6-10 PF from Maryland
9.6 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 0.9 apg in 20.5 minutes
Andres Nocioni
6-7 SF from Argentina (Foreign)
13.6 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 1.2 apg in 25.5 minutes

Done. Done. Done. Done.

I was just going to ask for Miller for Nocioni + filler.

Do you have a link though? I am guessing more Sam Smith garbage.

I read the article on hoopshype. It looks like they quoted the "Sam Smith Trade Checker"

coldfish wrote:.Do you have a link though? I am guessing more Sam Smith garbage.

Indeed.

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

geez. I dunno....

I wish it were a smaller trade... I don't really want Hakim or Damon back. I know the contracts need to balance...

Can it be done simply with Big Ben and Chapu for Gasol and XXX?

suckfish wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Indeed.

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Officially garbage. All that quote is is Sam Smith's response in his latest mailbag column, which I just posted.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=748015

I edited the title so nobody blows this out of proportion.

I say take out Noah and put in V.K. with more draft picks to Memphis and you have a deal. Trading Wallace means we will have no one to play center. Gray cant do it all on his own, Noah is still needed.

I want Gasol more than anyone, however, we have traded our past 3 solid centers in Brad Miller, Eddy Curry, and Tyson Chandler.

I can not give up 2 of our 3 centers on this roster.

Noah would have to stay since he is a great fit next to Pau, and a big part of our future at that position.

waffle wrote:Can it be done simply with Big Ben and Chapu for Gasol and XXX?

Word has it that Pax likey teh porn.

how bout

Chapu
Big Ben

for

Mike Miller
Gasol

It works (trade ID 4394889)

IF they like Chapu, they must consider him an upgrade to Miller (I do).

Would they do it? Probably not... It basically comes down to their attitude on Gasol, how he fits into their long term plans.

we ain't taking big ben.....

Cliff Levingston wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


Word has it that Pax likey teh porn.

Yeah, reportedly there are dozens of "stalactites" on the underside of Paxson's desk.

waffle wrote:how bout

Chapu
Big Ben

for

Mike Miller
Gasol

It works (trade ID 4394889)

IF they like Chapu, they must consider him an upgrade to Miller (I do).

Would they do it? Probably not... It basically comes down to their attitude on Gasol, how he fits into their long term plans.

That's a dreadful deal for Memphis.

Cliff Levingston is firmly on the "Gasol isn't THAT good" bandwagon but there's no doubt that he's worth a couple of our good players. Nocioni + Thomas + filler is probably a fair deal considering the circumstances (teams don't get back fair value for all-stars).

why would a rebuilding team want Wallace?

I'd bet if they DO want Noc, they'd probably want Noah also. They've had TT clones before.

C Noah
F Milicic
F Gay
G Navarro
G Conley

i think memphis considers nocioni at a different position than miller

miller is our starting SG....the thought in memphis over the summer was Iavaroni wanted Noc to play PF....

this season Iavaroni is in love with playing Gay at the PF.....b/c Iavaroni comes from phoenix and likes the smaller lineup, with what he calls the "phoenix-4".....with noc, either him or gay would play PF, the other play SF....

Here's a simple deal that Cliff Levingston thinks would work well for both teams.

Bulls trade:
- Andres Nocioni
- Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah (Memphis' choice)
- Joe Smith
- 2008 1st round pick (top 3 protected)
Grizzlies trade:
- Pau Gasol
- Juan Carlos Navarro

The Grizzlies pick up a couple guys that would fit well into their system: Nocioni and Thomas/Noah. They seem to really like Nocioni as evidenced by the reported free agent interest this past offseason. Either Tyrus or Noah would bring a lot of defense, rebounding and shot blocking to their team from the PF/C position and both can run the floor in Iavaroni's system. Joe Smith is used as a nice filler who can still play and probably give them 20 minutes of good basketball per game when called upon.

1. Stoudamire, Conley, Lowry
2. Miller, Jacobsen
3. Gay, Nocioni, Cardinal
4. Thomas, Swift, Warrick
5. Milicic, Smith, Brown


We pick up Gasol as a fair price, and as a result, balance the roster a bit. ICLO; we put Navarro in the starting lineup alongside Hinrich as a guy who can shoot the jumper off screen and spread the floor for Gasol down low, then continue to bring Gordon off the bench early and often. Hopefully Navarro will make Duhon's PT decrease. Gasol obviously steps in as our low post offense whom we run the offense through early with Deng probably playing well off of. Sefolosha steps in as the primary backup 3 and Noah/Thomas and Gray (whoever is left) get plenty of time in a backup capacity.

1. Hinrich, Duhon, Curry
2. Navarro, Gordon, Griffin
3. Deng, Sefolosha, Nichols
4. Gasol, Thomas/Noah, Khryapa
5. Wallace, Gray

You guys are crazy if you think Memphis is going to take Ben Wallace

Cliff Levingston wrote:Bulls trade:
- Andres Nocioni
- Tyrus Thomas or Joakim Noah (Memphis' choice)
- Joe Smith
- 2008 1st round pick (top 3 protected)
Grizzlies trade:
- Pau Gasol
- Juan Carlos Navarro

If they're really that gung ho for Nocioni, that's a fine trade. It definitely shores up the Memphis frontline for years to come. The only question I have is whether Memphis is willing to deal Gasol without also getting rid of either Miller's or Cardinal's contract.

IF Ben Wallace is traded its to a contender no rebuilding team will want him. Nocioni, Tyrus, Smith, & 1st round pick would be ideal.

PhD Griz wrote:this season Iavaroni is in love with playing Gay at the PF.....b/c Iavaroni comes from phoenix and likes the smaller lineup, with what he calls the "phoenix-4".....with noc, either him or gay would play PF, the other play SF....

Man, you guys should just fire Iavaroni on the spot if he'd pull that crap.

I want so badly to dump Noc for Gasol, but I really cannot fathom any reason whatsoever as to why Memphis would want him. And now that Sam Smith has proposed it I'm just gonna assume that it doesn't have a shred of truth to it.