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Has converted on 71 of his 139 attempts during the Boylan era. That's an impressive 51%.

Yeah good for BG. But he has to step his game up and bring it every night and stop being so tenative.

Bulls need to stop depending on a borderline all-star to carry them through games, make a move pax, get someone to help out BG

Gordon had two bad attempts in the 4th against the Knicks. But overall he was ok, he did his job and scored for the team. Yet, I still see all kind of hand wringing that Gordon didn't make every shot down the stretch and come through with 15 4th quarter points or something.

The expectations on him are quite frankly, absurd, almost beyond Kobe like. Yet because he had some miracle games in his past and pulled it off, and the Bulls have no other recourse to win many games, people just expect it to sort of happen or else they blame him with the, "well Gordon failed us tonight" stuff.

This guy is a good second option scorer on a team, perhaps even moreso than Luol Deng. But he cannot be the only option. As long as he is, this team doesn't have much of a shot to be anything more than above average at best, and most likely, simply average. Now this realization doesn't mean that Gordon is the one that has to go, it just means that something has to change. But if it is indeed BG that were to be moved to essentially 'upgrade' our closer player, any new player would have the same enormous pressure as Ben to produce. And I think even players like Tmac or Redd would come up plenty often short, especially considering we would have to give more than BG up in a trade to get that kind of player.

This team needs scoring help and they probably need more than just upgrading from a 21 PPG Ben Gordon or so, to a 25 PPG perimeter player.

Rerisen wrote:Gordon had two bad attempts in the 4th against the Knicks. But overall he was ok, he did his job and scored for the team. Yet, I still see all kind of hand wringing that Gordon didn't make every shot down the stretch and come through with 15 4th quarter points or something.

The expectations on him are quite frankly, absurd, almost beyond Kobe like. Yet because he had some miracle games in his past and pulled it off, and the Bulls have no other recourse to win many games, people just expect it to sort of happen or else they blame him with the, "well Gordon failed us tonight" stuff.

This guy is a good second option scorer on a team, perhaps even moreso than Luol Deng. But he cannot be the only option. As long as he is, this team doesn't have much of a shot to be anything more than above average at best, and most likely, simply average. Now this realization doesn't mean that Gordon is the one that has to go, it just means that something has to change. But if it is indeed BG that were to be moved to essentially 'upgrade' our closer player, any new player would have the same enormous pressure as Ben to produce. And I think even players like Tmac or Redd would come up plenty often short, especially considering we would have to give more than BG up in a trade to get that kind of player.

This team needs scoring help and they probably need more than just upgrading from a 21 PPG Ben Gordon or so, to a 25 PPG perimeter player.

The thing is don't nobody put pressure on Gordon to be a Kobe like player. But Gordon thinks of him self as an allstar caliber player Gordon whats to get payed like an allstar he wants to be a 60+ million dollar player. He even said in the summer that he thinks he's the best player on the team. Gordon sets high expectations for him self and he cant fullfill them. Allstars and 60 million dollar players don't have nights off. He went complently cold in the 2nd half that's unacceptable from a guy who thinks he's the best player on the team.

bre9 wrote:The thing is don't nobody put pressure on Gordon to be a Kobe like player. But Gordon thinks of him self as an allstar caliber player Gordon whats to get payed like an allstar he wants to be a 60+ million dollar player. He even said in the summer that he thinks he's the best player on the team. Gordon sets high expectations for him self and he cant fullfill them. Allstars and 60 million dollar players don't have nights off. He went complently cold in the 2nd half that's unacceptable from a guy who thinks he's the best player on the team.

Where is your supporting evidence for this? And don't say the NY paper 70 million report, because Gordon denied that. And if Gordon thinks he's the best player, good, he also said he thinks Luol would say the same thing. Since they are about equally important from a observers stand point, the comment is not outlandish at all. It's kind of like the same perception that Tyrus is lazy and doesn't listen in practice, for why he doesn't play. Even though he won the starting job to start the season and never lost it by his own doing. These are just perceptions.

Gordon doesn't hog or demand to be the closer because he wants to, but because the team is every bit as eager as he is for him to assume that position, both because he once succeeded there his rookie season, as well as because he is the only legit offensive creator the team has, and it has proven out that our usual routine offense is worth spit once the defense turns the clamps up on us at the end of a game and our players start making silly mistakes.

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Where is your supporting evidence for this? And don't say the NY paper 70 million report, because Gordon denied that. And if Gordon thinks he's the best player, good, he also said he thinks Luol would say the same thing. Since they are about equally important from a observers stand point, the comment is not outlandish at all. It's kind of like the same perception that Tyrus is lazy and doesn't listen in practice, for why he doesn't play. Even though he won the starting job to start the season and never lost it by his own doing. These are just perceptions.

Gordon doesn't hog or demand to be the closer because he wants to, but because the team is every bit as eager as he is for him to assume that position, both because he once succeeded there his rookie season, as well as because he is the only legit offensive creator the team has, and it has proven out that our usual routine offense is worth spit once the defense turns the clamps up on us at the end of a game and our players start making silly mistakes.

It's pretty obvious when Gordon didn't sign that 50 million deal that he wants more money big money. Remember when Gordon was talking about if the worse player gets paid the most that doesn't make sense and he said what u think the best player should get payed. Every one knew he was talking about Wallace and Wallace makes 60 mil. Gordon needs a reality check ur good but ur not that good. Don't get me wrong Gordon's a great player but he needs to realize that if he doesn't bring it every night he's not going to be the allstar player he think he is.

Deng turned down even more money and he doesn't get accused of nearly the same things Gordon does.

Is it because Deng doesn't even bother to make any pretense that he could be a go-to clutch scorer? And isn't that even worse, if a player expects even more money than Gordon, but doesn't even want or begin to try to fill the important role Gordon is being offered less to do?

Deng wasn't talking about he's the best player and so forth. Gordon shouldv'e kept that to himself and that other comment about the worse player making the most money on the team.

I don't care about what Gordon says so much as what he does. If someone asked Deng if he was the best player on the team, I would hope that he says yes and and not, "No. I'm the third best."

It's not like were paying BG 70 million already. If he had Rashard Lewis's contract fine, then rip him for not producing as a All-Star. Gordon can't force the Bulls to do anything, and he will earn a offer that is representative of his play this year. But I'm not going to hold him to a higher standard than Deng or Hinrich because of some perception of him that he thinks he is the best player or how much he thinks he deserves.

On the floor the criticism doesn't stick either because Gordon is not trying to do more than he should. If he didn't take the shots for this team down the stretch who would? Deng? Kirk? It's there for them any time they are ready to step up and try, Kirk had the primary ball handling duties all year before Boylan took over and it never happened. So its not like BG is Marbury or Crawford here chucking the season away in opposition to what the coach wants done. And as the OP pointed out, he's actually been pretty darn productive since Boylan took over.

Draft O.J. Mayo to play alongside Hinrich and demote Chris Duhon to the bench.....THEN the Bulls will have another go to ballplayer to go with Ben Gordon.