Would Rodman be a good 'big man coach' (Update p. 3)

OldSchoolNoBull · Post #1 » by **OldSchoolNoBull** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:10 pm

Speaking purely hypothetically here, what would you think of the idea of bringing Rodman in as an assistant coach, specifically as a 'big man coach'. He'd have nothing to do with the guards or even the few real wingmen we have, just the young bigs. You don't win win 7 straight rebounding titles, grab 11+rpg 10 times, 14+rpg 8 times, 15+rpg 6 times, 16+rpg 5 times, 17+rpg 3 times, and 18rpg 1 time just based on pure athleticism or pure instinct. Certainly both play a part, but to put up those numbers consistantly over a ten year period, you have to flat out have a mind for it and have a good amount of basketball IQ in that area. Rodman just flat out knows how to rebound the basketball and how to play defense in the post. He was known to absolutely harass guys significantly bigger than him in the post. He just knew how.

I think he could be a tremendously beneficial mentor for Tyrus(and Noah, but ESPECIALLY Tyrus) on the defensive end.

I realize that the idea of someone like Rodman on a coaching staff of extremely straight-laced types is laughable, and I realize that if it were ever to be a reality, we'd probably have to get another big man coach specifically for offense to balance things out, but those are real-world concerns, and this is a hypothetical.

So, what do you think? Would Rodman as a 'big man coach' be good for Tyrus and/or Noah?

Post #2 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:13 pm

"Rodman." "Coach." "Mentor." "Beneficial."

These words go together like vinegar and milk.

ikeziskash · Post #3 » by **ikeziskash** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:14 pm

I am of the belief that ANY big man coach is better than NO big man coach. I just don't know if Rodman's offensive knowledge, or lack thereof, would help players who really need it.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #4 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:14 pm

DuckIII wrote:"Rodman." "Coach." "Mentor." "Beneficial."

These words go together like vinegar and milk.

Are we making cheese?

Post #5 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:15 pm

I would think you'd want to bring in someone who's strength is what both Thomas and Noah is weak at. This would be the case IF the goal is to have them evolve into more than just one dimensional players. How about Kareem (who seems to be having a problem finding work in any coaching capacity)?

Cliff Levingston · Post #6 » by **Cliff Levingston** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:15 pm

We need a guy who can teach them the offensive aspects of the game, which wouldn't be Rodman.

bullzman23 · Post #7 » by **bullzman23** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:16 pm

No he wouldn't He'd be a better coach for Wallace though...

That being said, Thomas and Noah already are good rebounders and defenders. They could improve so obviously Rodman could help there, but they need a coach who can polish them offensively.

I still think that Pippen would be a good coach for Thomas and Sefolosha.

Post #8 » by **DuckIII** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:17 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Are we making cheese?

Is vinegar used to make cheese? Oops. I was trying to think of two things that didn't go together well.

How about liver and honey?

NLK · Post #9 » by **NLK** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:18 pm

Magilla_Gorilla wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Are we making cheese?

YES!

In Rodman's case, it'd be A VERY ECLETIC, COLORFUL CHEESE!

Post #10 » by **suckfish** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:23 pm

Firstly I think the likes of Tyrus and Noah just need basic coaching, there still at the stage where they need to practice very basic stuff. This can be done by the current assistants IMO, maybe when they advanced past the basics then we could get a specialist big man coach.

Gray on the other hand would probably benefit more from a specialist coach, he has the basic fundamental post work down, things like footwork, jump hooks and positioning he is fairly good at. To advance him further a big man coach may be useful.

As for Rodman, I'm pretty confident he wouldn't even be interested. Even if he was I'm not sure that he would have the patience or coaching mentality needed to deal with young bigs with fairly raw skill sets as far as offense is concerned.

And he wasn't exactly good offensively, sure he was a rebounding guru. I would just rather we focused a little bit more on the offensive side first, rebounding isn't a huge concern at the moment.

So I'm not really sold, it would be nice but is it really necessary at this moment in time?

I'd rather get the young guns focused on learning their roles offensively while working with the current assistants on their basics.

BR0D1E86 · Post #11 » by **BR0D1E86** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:25 pm

DuckIII wrote:"Rodman." "Coach." "Mentor." "Beneficial."

These words go together like vinegar and milk.

As I have never gone and mixed vinegar and milk before I am unable to comment on your analogy.

I will do so when I get home tonight and see if I agree.

And I'm not sure Rodman would be a wonderful coach as my biggest issue with both of them is developing a consistent post game... not what he was known for.

Post #12 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:29 pm

Why dont we have any other coaches period?

It seems like all the other top teams have bigmen coaches or things like that. We have no one.

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #13 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:31 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:Why dont we have any other coaches period?

It seems like all the other top teams have bigmen coaches or things like that. We have no one.

Pete Myers doesn't have you feeling funny, you know, down there?

Post #14 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:38 pm

^ Yeah how thoughtless of me. I forgot we have an alltime great, Mr Hall of famer Pete Myers teaching our guys the ropes. All he can teach these guys is to be a towel waving role player.

AirP. · Post #15 » by **AirP.** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:50 pm

I think the current school of thought in Chicago is that our Vets will teach our younger guys.... PJ Brown last year and Joe Smith this year.

With time and game film, Tyrus will get more respect from the Refs(and they watch lots of game film), but if you don't have much game film to watch on a player, you're not going to give them the benefit of a doubt over someone else.... take for example of the "goaltends", Tyrus got the same thing last year but once he was getting consistent minutes, he started getting less and less goaltends in exactly the same situations.

Also, Joe Smith if he could only work on one thing with Tyrus, I'd make that one thing be "pump fakes". Even if they don't work, they give a defender doubt that you might not go straight up which Tyrus does almost every time. "Pump Fakes" aren't always about getting your defender in the air, it's more about keeping your defender on the ground when you decide to go up. Teach Tyrus that when he gets a rebound underneath and he'll go to the line more and finish much better then he is now, everyone and his mother knows he's going straight back up so that's why players challenge him so much!

Kneepad · Post #16 » by **Kneepad** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:09 pm

DASMACKDOWN wrote:^ Yeah how thoughtless of me. I forgot we have an alltime great, Mr Hall of famer Pete Myers teaching our guys the ropes. All he can teach these guys is to be a towel waving role player.

Great player does not necessarily equal great coach.

Eminjay7 · Post #17 » by **Eminjay7** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:12 pm

AirP. wrote:oe Smith if he could only work on one thing with Tyrus, I'd make that one thing be "pump fakes". Even if they don't work, they give a defender doubt that you might not go straight up which Tyrus does almost every time. "Pump Fakes" aren't always about getting your defender in the air, it's more about keeping your defender on the ground when you decide to go up. Teach Tyrus that when he gets a rebound underneath and he'll go to the line more and finish much better then he is now, everyone and his mother knows he's going straight back up so that's why players challenge him so much!

I think when he plays and gets some shots, he'll go to the line often, but he jus shots around 60%, so he has to work on that part of his game too!
But I just wanna see him getting some playing time.

kyrv · Post #18 » by **kyrv** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:15 pm

DuckIII wrote:"Rodman." "Coach." "Mentor." "Beneficial."

These words go together like vinegar and milk.

Wow, no kidding.

This thread was not serious though, right?

AirP. · Post #19 » by **AirP.** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:33 pm

Tha Juice wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I think when he plays and gets some shots, he'll go to the line often, but he jus shots around 60%, so he has to work on that part of his game too!
But I just wanna see him getting some playing time.

Here's the thing, Tyrus gets offensive rebounds and doesn't finish them off by getting a basket, he puts up another shot instantly and because of that defenders know they can challenge his shot because he's going up which usually results to another missed shot from point blank range. I'd definitely would rather see him get a foul on someone and go to the line to make at least 1 point and getting closer to the bonus so our guards can get fouled and get to the line for easy points.

Have you not noticed how Tyrus always gets challenged underneath and someone like Joe Smith who is less athletic and slower usually doesn't? It's all about keeping the defenders off balanced on what you're going to do.

If Tyrus learns to pump fake, he will make this team better, he'll score more and he'll help the guards get to the line more by getting to the bonus faster. It's such a small thing that could help this team greatly when he's rebounding underneath.

Post #20 » by **kulaz3000** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:40 pm

You cant' really teach things that made Rodman great though. He just had a desire for the ball that was born inside of him, aswell a great instinct for the ball.

I don't think you can teach instincts and passion. You either have it or you don't, and no matter who you get to coach us, they won't teach you that.

If anything Tyrus and Noah need offensive big man coaches. Someone call Moses Malone or Hakeem.