Teams that may want Wallace (injury update pg 4)

[DuckIII]

Many of you know that I don't share the board's hatred of Ben Wallace. I do, however, share in the desire that he be traded. However, I typically don't engage trade talks involving him because I don't think it will realistically happen given his salary/production. That is why my focus has instead been on trading Nocioni and Duhon.

But in the wake of Boylan's botched use of Wallace last night which cost the Bulls an important game against the Knicks, I started thinking on this much harder. Wouldn't there be at least a couple of teams who could use what Wallace provides, even at his salary, given their short term goals?

The team names I came up with were very few, and all are in "win now" mode in a big way and/or are looking to take a short term step forward. This is also based on teams whose rosters Wallace would, in my opinion, blend fairly well with, though others no doubt will disagree.

Dallas
Houston
Lakers
Utah
Boston
Golden State
Washington
Toronto

The Western Conference teams I listed all have good interior scorers to balance with Wallace and/or are looking for a better interior defender for a matchup with the Spurs in the playoffs. They are looking to make a move right now.

Honestly, I doubt anyone in the East really has a strong enough need for him to trade for him. But Boston, with an eye for battling Detroit in the East and San Antonio in the West, might want to take a shot. They are in championship or bust mode right now and his contract matches up with their window to accomplish that goal.

The Wizards and Raptors are good teams but both sorely lack interior defenders. Again, if they are looking to make a short term move in the winnable East, they might at least consider Wallace.

Bear in mind that I'm not talking about these teams giving up important players (like where I see Wallace being discussed in the T-Mac discussions in another thread). I'm talking purely about teams that would possibly be willing to move younger less significant short-term pieces and/or shorter contracts to get Wallace for the next 2.5 seasons despite his large contract.

Thoughts?

[newskoolbulls]

Spurs considering at age 33 he is considered young by their standards lo. I would say Dallas would love to have a defender like him.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Dallas
Houston
Lakers
Utah
Boston
Golden State
Washington
Toronto

You left off Phoenix. That's a real possibility

Dallas - we'd have to take Dampier, whose contract is worse

Houston - $60 mill for oft-injured McGrady? Wallave has less than $44 mill left on his

Lakers - definitely

Utah - doubt it & we'd have to take a bum back

Boston - no one to trade us. The 3 amigoes are off limits

GS - for who???? The have cleared out all bad contracts & I see no need to add one

Wash & Toronto - are you serious? For who?

[newskoolbulls]

Utah for Memhet? with Boozer scoring wouldnt a defensive big be better? however both guys are not even 6''10 and i doubt you would want that. I would love Okur however.

[Tommy Udo 6]

Unless a title run is imminent, I just dont see teams taking Ben W

I only see Phoenix & LAL where we may come out ahead. Some other teams will take Ben but we get a worse contract back

[dougthonus]

Dallas: Stackhouse + Hassel + one of George, Diop, or Eddie Jones works. I don't think they'd want to give up stackhouse though. I think they'd rather stick with Stackhouse than Wallace.

Houston: It would be really hard to match salary without including both Alston and Mike James, and then they have no guard rotation left.

Mike James + Steve Francis + Kirk Snyder + Bonzi Wells also works, but then they still are losing a lot of guard depth there.

Lakers:
Kwame + Radman works, but I don't think it's worth it for us to take Radman when his salary goes a year longer than Wallace's salary, and that's a critical year. It doesn't help us with on court talent, so I'd rather just buy Wallace out than do this trade. Kwame + Mihm + Ariza works under the cap as well, but Mihm would need to agree to the deal for it to work.

Utah: Unless Kirlenko or Okur are involved (guys who they may potentially consider for one reason or another) I don't see a deal being made.

Boston: There is no way to match salary or even come remotely close.

Golden State: Al Harringon + 2 of O'Bryant, Barnes, or Pietrus would work, but both Barnes and Pietrus would need to agree to a deal and lose bird rights if they did it. Seems like they'd be giving up a lot of firepower to make that deal happen. I don't follow the Warriors, so I'm not sure how they value their players.

Washington: Daniels + Etan Thomas + Roger Mason works and isn't too far from being salary neutral in both total salary and years. Though I don't see Washington doing that deal.

Toronto: Rasho + Garbajosa + Dixon works. It's about the only deal they could consider.


I don't know if all or any of the teams woudl take the deals outlined. It basically had me trying to figure out the lowest value they could send back while matching salaries. I think the Toronto deal sort of makes sense for them actually. They barely play Dixon or Rasho, and isn't Garbajosa out for awhile or is he coming back from an injury earlier in the year?

[newskoolbulls]

Wow Doug the Goldenstate deal is interesting mostly because of Harrington. Would BW however look bad on an offensive team like that though?

[kyrv]

I would take a big guard with an equally bad contract though or 2-3 player I think bulls6. Somebody who would not get entitlement minutes.

Duck - I'm in the same boat as you basically on the Wallace scale. The Wallace signing did pay dividends, in my opinion, and if the Bulls were meeting expectations this season I would be tickled to have Joe Smith and Wallace heading into the playoffs.

I think Noc and Wallace are the ones that really eat into the young bigs time, and Joe Smith seems to play better with the young bigs and provide some stability.

To me ideally turning Noc and Wallace into a decent type 2-3 would be ideal, and maybe (maybe) a backup biig needed to make the salary work.

I think Wallace still has some basketball to give, on a bad offensive, non-playoff team, however, I think, today, Ben W. is a terrible fit on the Bulls.

In the east the Knicks could absorb Wallace's salary and he could help their offensive oriented team. However I don't see such a deal happening. Wallace/? for Curry or Randolph/? is one of those oh so obvious trades fan think of that on paper really improve both teams, but appear to have 0% chance of happening.

I think, again back to bulls6, that the Lakers, Suns, and Mavs are teams Wallace could help in the playoffs. You mention Dampier, how much worse is his contract? If he can be a backup, to me the Bulls are a better team. I.e. not getting entitlement minutes, and be the third string center.

[dougthonus]

I don't see what Phoenix could offer except the pipe dream where they send us Marion. We'd have to send back a boatload of something to amake them do that though. Diaw + Banks doesn't work, and there's no one else they can really add even then we'd be taking way longer salaries back for players that dont' really do much for us.

[newskoolbulls]

Suns are missing something this year and i believe its that the big 3 are not getting along and with Marion set to become a free agent I wouldnt be shocked if they moved him.

[Bulls69]

I think Wallace still has alot of gas left in the tank but he needs to go to a team who has a good low post scoring but the Bulls needs to start over by moving Big Ben.

[DJhitek]

I don't think there is a sucker on earth that would take Wallace at this point. I really believe we are stuck with him and his contract.

[Christine-In-AZ]

I'll give ya Marion and Barbosa

for

Wallace and Deng if ya want...
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...I didn't think so

[Sonny_D1]

I don't see what Phoenix could offer except the pipe dream where they send us Marion. We'd have to send back a boatload of something to amake them do that though. Diaw + Banks doesn't work, and there's no one else they can really add even then we'd be taking way longer salaries back for players that dont' really do much for us.

Wallace for Nash and Piatkowski works in the trade machine

Seriously though, it's going to be very, very difficult to trade him by himself. He just doesn't hold much value. The only way to rid ourselves of this mess is to include him as part of a larger package.

[Sonny_D1]

Just to expand on this thought a little bit, the only way I see something major happening is if two things occur:

1) The Lakers become serious about contending and

2) Memphis finally decides to cut the cord with Pau

We're the perfect team to facilitate such a trade. We have the defensive piece (Wallace) for LA and we have the talent to give up for Gasol. Something like:

Bulls Trade: Wallace, Noc, TT, #1 pick
Bulls Receive: Gasol, Stoudamire, Warrick

LA Trades: Kwame, Ariza, Karl
LA Receives: Wallace

Memphis Trades: Gasol, Stoudamire, Warrick
Memphis Receives: Noc, TT, Kwame (expiring), Ariza, #1 pick

Of course it's been said to keep Gasol happy his little buddy would have to tag along. If that's the case, it wouldn't be too difficult to rearrange things a bit. Take out Warrick and include Navarro and Jacobsen and the deal still works.

Again, it's the only semi-realistic opportunity I can see coming up.

Trade ID #4398561

[ozbull]

AK47 hs fallen completely out of favour at Utah and I think Wallace would be a great compliment to Boozer.

We move Wallce and Noc and in return we get AK and filler

I cant be stuffed checking this on trade checker but I think it would be a big win for us. AK is young and despite his contract, would be a great fit for the Bulls moving forward. We play him at PF next to Noah/Gray/TT and watch him return to the stat filled machine he once was..

Utah gets Wallace, and a realistic shot at contending in the short term.

[dougthonus]

AK would fit awfully on the Bulls IMO. He's what we have too much of and that's tweener PFs.

[moonrod]

Sonny, gotta give you props brother. That's actually a semi realistic trade that somewhat makes sense for all teams involved.

There are times I wish I had more time to come up with good trades but there are plenty of posters here who do a great job.

Now if we can just convince LA and Memphis to follow suit...

[Sonny_D1]

Sonny, gotta give you props brother. That's actually a semi realistic trade that somewhat makes sense for all teams involved.

There are times I wish I had more time to come up with good trades but there are plenty of posters here who do a great job.

Now if we can just convince LA and Memphis to follow suit...

With business as bad as it is my friend, I've got all the time in the world to come up with crazy ****

[pduh01]

Lets look at the listed of teams you have on ur post keep in mind I don't think it's the right time to trade Ben Wallace right now unless there is a deal that you can't refuse.

But anyways...................

Dallas: I don't think they'll give up Stackhouse either, they will probably insert Dampier instead and I don't think they'll want to get rid of Diop even though Avery Johnson don't starts him and play him much(When Dampier isn't injured.)for some strange reason he starts Dampier. If they don't include Diop in that deal I'll pass.

As for Mavs they might have interest with Big Ben but I doubt they want him. Because they got Diop who is a defensive player pretty much similar as Ben Wallace, he's younger, and his contract is smaller. Even though as I mention he doesn't start and his PT is a bit down.

Houston: They have no guard rotation left if they include both Alston and Mike James? Uh they got Luther Head(Who is a pg, not a pure pg.), Steve Francis, Aaron Brooks. They are all pgs well pretty much a scoring pgs but they are pgs so they won't lose much in guard rotation. But anyways I wouldn't want neither of them. I doubt they want Ben Wallace's contract and there is no one I would want well there's T-Mac but as I mention in other thread thanks but no thanks. Now if they are thinking to deal Yao Ming then I consider it.

Lakers: Kwame ok fine as long we don't resign him but do you really want Roidmanlic I mean Radman's contract and his "skills" on this team? I would've ask Turiaff(sp?)/Odom/both to be part of the deal hell maybe Jordan Farmer to be included the deal. Unless they don't mind trading Bynum or Kobe Bryant But seriously if they are serious for contender they may show interest with Ben Wallace and if they are interest with Ben Wallace I would ask for Turiaff(sp?)/Odom or both with Kwame included and including Jordan Farmer to be part of the deal. Other wise I pass personally.

Utah: They could use a interior defender to go along with Boozer. In fact that's their need a player who can play defense from the interior even though add a shot blocker is a must need too. But why would the Jazz take Ben Wallace's contract? I doubt they would want to take Ben Wallace's contract unless we include one or both of our future front court players of Noah and Tyrus Thomas. Which one of them will be a good compliment for Boozer in a long run. I wouldn't mind trade one of them Tyrus or Noah to include Big Ben for someone like Okur if they include Milsap and CJ Miles or Morris to be a package of the deal.

Boston: No argument from me, totally agreed with you there.

Golden State: Ben Wallace will not fit into the Warriors mode not the current scheme that is. Warriors already dump some big contracts dumping Troy Murphy's contract(Last year.), waive Foyle(last summer.), and etc. Warriors won't add another big contract but again it's Chris Mullin running the ship. I wouldn't trade Ben Wallace to the Warriors personally I may consider Al Harrington and Pietrus have to be included. But the thing is just say the deal goes through and we got Al Harrington.

It's going to clogged lot of mins at the PF and SF position and most will not get playing time at all or barley gets pt(Tyrus Thomas/Gray/Noah) Even though they don't get much PT anyways. Don't forget to add that Boylan likes to play Noc at PF too. But as I say I would consider it but I look my other options most likely then talk to the Warriors about possible deal.

Washington: Thanks but no thanks.

Toronto: That deal is meh Toronto might consider but will hesitate I bet.

But as you say there no teams will take Ben Wallace big contract not right now and I don't think it's the right time trading Ben Wallace just yet. His contract expire or his two years contract left might be more valueable then right now in my opinion.