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Benching another sign Bulls rookie has a lot to learn
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:46 am
by kulaz3000
Noah still getting schooled
Benching another sign Bulls rookie has a lot to learn
By K.C. Johnson
Tribune staff reporter
January 12, 2008, 8:43 PM CST
ATLANTA -- Joakim Noah has been benched for shouting at assistant Ron Adams, fined for being late to team functions and openly admitted to forgetting the playbook as far back as training camp.
Former coach Scott Skiles chastised him publicly, albeit jokingly, to shut his mouth, and teammates fined him, albeit good-naturedly, for bringing the wrong doughnuts to practice.
And in these regards, Noah is pretty much your typical NBA rookie.
That doesn't excuse Noah's tardiness or insubordination, the latter of which the Bulls took seriously enough to place him on the inactive list for Friday's victory in Philadelphia. It does speak to the humbling nature and steep learning curve the NBA presents, no matter how impressive the college pedigree.
"There is a lot to learn both on and off the court, and people will humble you," Noah said. "But I've been through humbling situations before. A lot of rookies haven't had a situation where they haven't played before or haven't always been 'The Man.' But I was in a situation in college [at Florida] where I didn't play my freshman year.
"Then I went from not playing at all to being really, really hungry my sophomore year to my junior where, like, everything was so much easier. Everybody every day was like, 'Congratulations on the [NCAA] championship. You're a lottery pick, top five. You don't have anything to worry about.'
"At the same time, I had opponents looking at me saying, 'I can't wait to play this guy.' You just always have to keep working and keep learning."
Interviewing Noah might be a little like coaching him given that he's reflective and ready one minute and restless and unfocused the next. Time management and attention to detail are points coaches have stressed to him as often as, say, how to guard the screen-and-roll.
The flashes Noah has shown this season, not to mention his lottery status and guaranteed, multimillion-dollar deal, make this work in progress a valuable one.
It pleased management that Noah regretted Friday's incident with Adams.
"Emotional outbursts happen all the time in our lives," interim coach Jim Boylan said. "You say or do things that you look back and say, 'Geez, I wish I would've approached that in a different way.' He's young. And he's learning. We think it's a good lesson for him."
When Noah is on, as he was during a 17-point, six-rebound, four-assist effort Jan. 2 in Charlotte, he's on. Just as likely, he's being sent back to the locker room because he came out for pregame individual work with his jersey untucked.
"He has made a lot of strides," Boylan said. "He's focusing better on what he needs to do, time management, things like that. Guys can get stretched out too far with demands of practices and the organization and media and friends and family.
"Suddenly now, you're in a whole new world. You have money. You have all the trappings of distractions that can get to you. You need to get a grasp bit by bit on what it is you're really supposed to be doing, and that is concentrating on being the best you can be as an NBA player.
"He's a good kid. He has a good heart. I think he will see the light of all these things that we're trying to get him to do."
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com ... -headlines
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:30 am
by bullzman23
Not sure if this was posted ever.
PHILADELPHIA -- The Bulls placed Joakim Noah on the inactive list for Friday's game against the 76ers after the rookie forward engaged in an angry exchange with assistant coach Ron Adams at the team's morning shootaround.
Two team sources said Noah kept forgetting plays and blowing assignments during the walkthrough, then snapped when Adams kept riding him.
Asked about the incident after the Bulls' 100-97 victory, Noah at first declined to comment. When pressed further on whether he regretted the incident, the rookie launched into a lengthy answer.
"Yeah, I regret it because it was stupid," Noah said. "I mean, honestly, I like the coach a lot, but I felt like he disrespected me and I went back at him and maybe I shouldn't have done that.
"We spoke about it. It's so stupid because I was just talking about how fortunate we are to be in this situation and things like that. I don't want people to think I'm somebody who takes advantage of people because that's not at all who I am as a person. At the same time, it happened. It's a learning experience.
"Maybe next time if I have a problem I can say it in a bad manner instead of just blowing up. I let my emotions get the best of me."
Before the game, interim coach Jim Boylan said the punishment would last for only Friday's game and called it an "internal disciplinary measure." Boylan didn't elaborate.
Noah did.
"It really, really [stinks]; that's all I can say," Noah said. "I'll learn from this and get better."
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com ... -headlines
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 4:24 pm
by newskoolbulls
Wow just wow. Can someone tell me how Pax interviews players before the draft? because the past two years he has drafted two very unintelligent players. You foget the play book? your coach was disrespecting you for calling you out? Noah is a hardcore idiot. Love Tyrus and Noah but when it comes to things like saying the right stuff well they are pretty unintelligent.
Noah to miss todays game. (Hawks)
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:30 pm
by suckfish
http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribu ... ourtpress/
January 13, 2008
Noah will miss Sunday's game vs. Hawks
By K.C. Johnson, 11:50 a.m.
Joakim Noah will get a little more time to think about what he's done.
Noah's teammates voted Sunday to sit the rookie for Sunday's game at Atlanta following his outburst Friday at assistant coach Ron Adams. Noah did not play in Friday's 100-97 win at Philadelphia.
"There is a lot to learn both on and off the court, and people will humble you," Noah said. "But I've been through humbling situations before. A lot of rookies haven't had a situation where they haven't played before or haven't always been 'The Man.' But I was in a situation in college [at Florida] where I didn't play my freshman year.
"Then I went from not playing at all to being really, really hungry my sophomore year to my junior where, like, everything was so much easier. Everybody every day was like, 'Congratulations on the [NCAA] championship. You're a lottery pick, top five. You don't have anything to worry about.'
"At the same time, I had opponents looking at me saying, 'I can't wait to play this guy.' You just always have to keep working and keep learning."
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:33 pm
by Hold That
Team must have recognized his cocky and self-entitlement attitude. Otherwise, if what he did on Friday was out of the norm for a person of his character, he would have gotten only 1 game and not voted a second game from the team.
Thats how I see it. Also howcome everytime he experiences an NBA situation he always blows it off and say. "Well I been through it before in College."
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:35 pm
by Bullsmaniac
Wow his outburst vs. Adams must be worst than we thought.
Maybe Adams insisted on Noah wearing the shooting glove and Noah told him to "shove it up his ***"
I wonder what was arguememt was about?!!!
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:35 pm
by cool007
WTF??? What is this about so many players only meeting and players voting and all that ****? I have not seen this before - especially with Bulls team. Who decided to even start the voting process???
I am really upset about this.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:35 pm
by Shinky
He must have really went off on Adams bad, for his own teamates to want to punish him further.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:38 pm
by HINrichPolice
This went from potentially forgotten non-issue to national story. PTI will pick this up for sure on Monday. The radio airwaves will discuss it ad nauseum.
As different as the kid is from a typical NBA rookie, being disrespectful to superiors doesn't to seem to be his thing.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:38 pm
by Leslie Forman
I think it says something that Noah gave Billy Donovan more respect than these guys. Whether it's something about Noah or our coaches, who knows.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:39 pm
by SportsWorld
So much for this great team chemistry Paxson talked about all last year.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:41 pm
by HINrichPolice
tong po wrote:I think it says something that Noah gave Billy Donovan more respect than these guys. Whether it's something about Noah or our coaches, who knows.
Thanks for bringing up this point.. I'd say it could go either way.
However, I predict that the majority of media (mainly national) will automatically attribute this incident to Noah's immaturity and won't even consider blaming the coaching staff whatsoever.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:42 pm
by Magilla_Gorilla
tong po wrote:I think it says something that Noah gave Billy Donovan more respect than these guys. Whether it's something about Noah or our coaches, who knows.
Billy Donovan talked about what a struggle it could be with Noah. He said on the court the guy is all business and as good a teammate as you could want, but off the court he is a bit of a flake and could be a
pain in the ass (my words, not his).
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:44 pm
by nerfinator39
I like the fact that the players had the chance to vote and that is wasn't strictly the coaches' decision.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:45 pm
by suckfish
I have no doubt that the coaching staff in this organization aren't the best around, still since the entire team voted I am led to believe that what Noah said was out of line and that Noah was mainly to blame.
Like everybody else I am curious as to what exactly Noah said that warrants a two game ban, particularly at a time where the team is suffering from injury problems and the flu bug.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:48 pm
by Magilla_Gorilla
suckfish wrote:I have no doubt that the coaching staff in this organization aren't the best around, still since the entire team voted I am led to believe that what Noah said was out of line and that Noah was mainly to blame.
Like everybody else I am curious as to what exactly Noah said that warrants a two game ban, particularly at a time where the team is suffering from injury problems and the flu bug.
Honestly, I thik alot of it has to do with him being a rookie, and already being habitually tardy (that might be a bit harsh).
If it had been a vet that lashed out, I don't think it would be a big deal - but for a rookie to do it warrants some extra attention. And deservedly so.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:48 pm
by Tommy Udo 6
suckfish wrote:I have no doubt that the coaching staff in this organization aren't the best around, still since the entire team voted I am led to believe that what Noah said was out of line and that Noah was mainly to blame.
Like everybody else I am curious as to what exactly Noah said that warrants a two game ban, particularly at a time where the team is suffering from injury problems and the flu bug.
it doesnt say that the ENTIRE team voted that way.
The vote may only have been 7-6 (assuming Curry is in D League & Noah doesnt vote)
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:49 pm
by suckfish
bulls6 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
it doesnt say that the ENTIRE team voted that way.
The vote may only have been 7-6 (assuming Curry is in D League & Noah doesnt vote)
True say.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:02 pm
by Bluewaterheaven
How do you vote on something like this... raise your hands? put little pieces of paper into a hat? It seems something like this could effect team chemistry even more
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:02 pm
by sonny
Deng
Gordon
Gray
Thomas
Hinrich
Thabo
vs
Smith
Wallace
Griffin
Duhon
Noc
Nichols
VK
The last two voted that way because Big Ben stared at them