joe smith

dflaschberger · Post #1 » by **dflaschberger** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:40 pm

We all know how well Smith has played for us. But, if in a month, near the deadline, we are still looking bad and a 7th or 8th seed (and a first round beating) is our ceiling-we should deal smith. Why?

We need minutes for Tyrus and Noah
Wallace will prove too hard to move
He deserves better
It frees up $ for next year
We should get something for him

Therefore, assuming things continue, I believe we still have a GREAT core of Deng, Ben, Kirk, Thabo, Noc, Tyrus, Noah, Gray. I am NOT suggesting tanking, but we have to be real. Maybe our time is next year. Tyrus and noah need minutes.

So, who would take him?

SA-Barry and rights to Splitter (throw in elson and duhon, if necessary)
Lakers-joe and VK for kwame and their #1
Suns-they have a TE-not sure what they would throw in (probably not ATL pick)
GS-they also have TE, throw in their pick
Dallas-do they have expiring?
Denver-najara and their 09 pick
Orlando-garrity, rights to Fran and their 09 pick
Washington-not sure who's expiring

The list is endless. Every contender could use him-he is VERY solid. Do we agree that he should go if things continue to suck?

Post #2 » by **Tommy Udo 6** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:46 pm

I want to keep Joe. I would only trade him if it allows us to dump wallace. Otherwise, there is no point in trading the player who is playing best for us.

ManicBullsFan · Post #3 » by **ManicBullsFan** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 3:57 pm

I'd bench wallace and keep joe.

Wingy · Post #4 » by **Wingy** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:11 pm

bulls6 wrote:I want to keep Joe. I would only trade him if it allows us to dump wallace. Otherwise, there is no point in trading the player who is playing best for us.

There's plenty of points. I love how he's playing for us, and man I wish the other guys were playing up to their own par and be able to see what kind of team we would have.

But really, keeping Joe is just keeping us mediocre. It's not helping us in the win column, it's potentially hurting our draft status, but most importantly, it's keeping Tyrus and Noah on the bench. This team and this roster is in no position to live for today.

Post #5 » by **Tommy Udo 6** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:14 pm

I'd like to have a good team NOW.

i'm tired of always playing for draft position.

Joe is a positive influence on the team & he can easily be benched without leading a revolt against the coach - like Ben W does.

I'm not against trading him - but i dont want to dump him just because the team sucks.

Wingy · Post #6 » by **Wingy** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:23 pm

bulls6 wrote:I'd like to have a good team NOW.

i'm tired of always playing for draft position.

Joe is a positive influence on the team & he can easily be benched without leading a revolt against the coach - like Ben W does.

I'm not against trading him - but i dont want to dump him just because the team sucks.

I'm with you on the winning and the draft position thing...but then there's reality. If we play up to par we are a good team. I want us to be a great team though. We'll never be a great team w/o getting TT and Noah close to their full potentials. We're trying to win and still ending up with decent draft position...Joe Smith for all he's doing well isn't doing anything to stop it. Since he's not making that big an impact on the end result, why not get rid of him since he's one of the only guys at his max value around the league right now?

You know how I feel on Wallace. I'd LOVE to jettison his arse like nothing else, but we all know it's not gonna happen. I'd MUCH prefer we get rid of Wallace and KEEP Joe to free up minutes for the young guys.

dflaschberger · Post #7 » by **dflaschberger** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:17 pm

I should have put that in more clearly in the original post. i'd LOVE to move wallace, but we would not get assets back and have to take on a bad deal (kwame + vlad for wallace for example).

Independent of wallace, I would still move smith for an expiring and a pick-IF we still suck in a month. TT and Noah need minutes-they MUST become players for us to win a title with this group. Smith eats a lot of minutes (justifiable of course).

I would think his value is very high now

Eminjay7 · Post #8 » by **Eminjay7** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:30 pm

dflaschberger wrote: TT and Noah need minutes-they MUST become players for us to win a title with this group. Smith eats a lot of minutes (justifiable of course).
I would think his value is very high now

I think we should keep him at the moment, too, because he's the only one that scores regularly in the post and he seems like a classy guy, that every team enjoys to have, but nevertheless I still hate the PT Tyrus gets these days.

kyrv · Post #9 » by **kyrv** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:54 pm

From comments I've heard from Joe Smith, he probably should be playing 20 mpg or so or less.

I think they will wear him down but Boylan has said he will ride the vets, to the detriment of the team and possibly Joe's overall health.

I would rather have Smith playing with the young bigs than Wallace.

Bulls6 - Bulls haven't been playing for a draft position for several years now (although yes it happened quite a bit before that).

DanTown8587 · Post #10 » by **DanTown8587** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:12 pm

dflaschberger wrote:I should have put that in more clearly in the original post. i'd LOVE to move wallace, but we would not get assets back and have to take on a bad deal (kwame + vlad for wallace for example).

Independent of wallace, I would still move smith for an expiring and a pick-IF we still suck in a month. TT and Noah need minutes-they MUST become players for us to win a title with this group. Smith eats a lot of minutes (justifiable of course).

I would think his value is very high now

I would easily do Kwame and Vlad. Doesnt matter that Vlad runs a year later than Ben, Kwame is a 9million expiring contract. If the Lakers bite at that, take it, run as fast as you can, never come back, ever.

DanTown8587 · Post #11 » by **DanTown8587** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:15 pm

Look, my Joe Smith thoughts are if we trade him now and get can get a current #1, we should do it. I bet Orlando does Smtih for garrity #1 in 08 (lottery obviously). Smith has a lot of value for a big because he is fairly priced, short deal. That would make the most sense in the big picture because if you cannot win the title this year, you should be trying for next year. And it never helps to be the last few teams in the playoffs.

JeremyB0001 · Post #12 » by **JeremyB0001** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:19 pm

The biggest reason to trade Smith is to sell high. He's playing better than he has in years so we shouldn't bank on him keeping it up. If teams are willing to give up something substantial for him I'd deal him at the deadline but if the offers are unimpressive we should keep him because he fits the team well.

dflaschberger · Post #13 » by **dflaschberger** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:16 pm

I agree 100%-some team would make a good offer (expiring or TE + a young prospect or a #1)

Clint Eastwood · Post #14 » by **Clint Eastwood** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:37 pm

a trade exception that pax will most likely just let expire, hence has no value?

TeamMan · Post #15 » by **TeamMan** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:13 pm

JoeS is the replacement for PJBrown.

He's the 1st starting-quality, two-way player that we've had at PF since Brand was traded.

AD was primarily a defensive-rebounder type player who fit well with EC, but he was the only other quality PF that we've had.

The only way that Pax would trade him would be as filler for someone younger (the long talked about Pau deal).

But it would be almost impossible for us to get anyone better.

Post #16 » by **DASMACKDOWN** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:27 pm

I actually look at Smith like how we did with Donyell Marshall a few years back.

Donyell played great for us at a bargain. MLE if I stand corrected. Same as Joe.

It was because of this, it was the sweetener for Toronto to take Jalen Rose off our hands.

I get the feeling, Smith only goes if it is to get rid of Wallace. He will be the sacrifice.

We arent going to trade Smith just to trade him.

dflaschberger · Post #17 » by **dflaschberger** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:42 am

not just to trade him-get an expiring (more $ for next season) and a young prospect or pick. The real benefit is the minutes for our kids )and maybe going down in the draft a few more places)

SA would be crazy not to do Smith for Barry and the rights to Splitter, for example.
Denver would do najara and their 09 #1, I'd think
Lakers, NO, Orlando, Suns could all use him-Dallas and GS too

Hoops23 · Post #18 » by **Hoops23** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:57 am

The best move is to trade Ben Wallace but he is hard to sell in trades, so it makes sense to move Joe Smith instead.

Deng and Gordon are due to a big contract this summer, and a reason Chicago will pay the tax next season and that

dflaschberger · Post #19 » by **dflaschberger** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:44 pm

but he's worth more hoops23. he's playing VERY well. Best I see is smith for barry and rights to SPlitter

Red Larrivee · Post #20 » by **Red Larrivee** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:29 pm

bulls6 wrote:I want to keep Joe. I would only trade him if it allows us to dump wallace. Otherwise, there is no point in trading the player who is playing best for us.

Yea definitely.

If that's not the situation you really do have to keep Joe Smith. Guy is playing good ball, and giving you more than what you paid him for. And you never know when you're going to need a solid veteran player in a championship build situation. Joe Smith could play for another 3 to 4 years, and knock down that shot and be solid on defense. And he wouldn't be a log like PJ Brown.