the Curtis Granderson , AJ + JD + MT + PC watch

[kellmellus50]

Curtis is avergeing .211 ..... 4 for 19 at bats (no-HR) which is what i expected his career is sliding downword, of coarse this is only exbition season so i can't get on him too much.

Now lets talk about Johney Damon (who i would have traded for curtis) but we got for free
He's hitting .333 ...... 6 for 18 (1-HR)

The player that replaced granderson is:
A.jackson hitting .375 ...... 9 for 24 (1-HR) and is playing allsome, like a young curtis used to play

I think the tigers made out like a fat cat dealing with the off season trades and pick-ups.

[ajaX82]

2 words: spring training

[RustInPeace]

Dontrelle Willis and Nate Robertson both have sub 3 ERAs, they sure are studs. I'm glad DD signed them to their contracts.

[kellmellus50]

Tigers centerfielder Austin Jackson's poise with bat impressive, tooThe thing that I'm most impressed with, knock on wood ... he hasn't swung at a bad ball," Leyland said. "He's laid off some pretty tough pitches.
He's going to hit, and then he's going to go over and bunt about 50 base-hit bunts, and then he'll be off," Leyland said of Jackson. "He's been playing a lot."Jackson was 3-for-4 with three runs scored in a 9-6 win over the Rays on Sunday.
Austin Jackson is batting .429 after he ripped a pair of triples and a single in Sunday's 9-6 victory

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100315 ... z0iI1DaSwt


http://www.freep.com/article/20100315/S ... e-with-bat

[kellmellus50]

update spring training avg,on players traded

A.jackson 13 for 30=.433 avg (1-Hr)DET
C.granderson 4 for 22 =.188avg (0-Hr)N.Y.
J.damon 9 for 25 -280 avg (1-hr)Det

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

[kellmellus50]

3/25/2010

A.jackson 18 for 48=.375 avg (1-Hr)DET
C.granderson 9 for 32 .281 avg (0-Hr)N.Y.
J.damon 12 for 34 -353 avg (2-hr)Det
M.Thames 3 for 32 .092 avg (0-hr) N.Y.

[kellmellus50]

Marcus Thames DH beat the tigers 1-0 with his first HR of the spring in last nites game.Granderson also had 2 hits.

[TSE]

Figures. lol

[kellmellus50]

3/31/2010

A.jackson 21 for 59=.356 avg (1-Hr)Det
C.granderson 12 for 44 .273 avg (0-Hr)N.Y.
J.damon 18 for 50 -360 avg (2-hr)Det
M.Thames 7 for 48 .146 avg (2-hr) N.Y.
P.Coke era = 4.09 0-hr 3-walks 5- SO Det


I know it's only preseason lets see what happens during the season.

[VinnyTheMick]

update spring training avg,on players traded

A.jackson 13 for 30=.433 avg (1-Hr)DET
C.granderson 4 for 22 =.188avg (0-Hr)N.Y.
J.damon 9 for 25 -280 avg (1-hr)Det

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?

[kellmellus50]

Let the season begin and we will see how the tigers trades worked out,and see who got the best of the deal DET orN.Y.

[TSE]

Let the season begin and we will see how the tigers trades worked out,and see who got the best of the deal DET orN.Y.

Well part of our trade receipts was that pitcher Daniel Schlereth, and he is in the minors. So if it was an equal trade, then we by default should see less, cause part of our value is in a minor league pitcher that will take time for us to realize. We should expect to see a short term hit in exchange for a long term plus. Since the amounts are small and subjective, it will be impossible to know who got the better end of this deal for many years if one of the players doesn't stand out exceptionally bad or poor. Bottom line is this isn't the kind of trade that is worthwhile spending any more time thinking about. It was a wholesale change of getting younger and cheaper at CF, and there's a lot of subjective value tied into what that is worth. I just don't like analyzing trades after the fact, because there isn't really any benefit to that. If AJ ends up being a star, then the trade looks great, if he busts, then the trade looks bad. So there's not really any point in waiting because either one could pan out and the only time that it makes sense to evaluate a trade like this is BEFORE you know for certain. AJ is like a straight draw in poker that you are gambling on because you have the pot odds. If your odds are 15% of getting the card you want, then you have to use the number 15 as the basis to justify the trade. It's not a guarantee either way, it's a specific 1/6 dice roll shot. You are paying to get that shot.

So if the die is thrown and your number doesn't come up, that doesn't make it a bad trade, because you lost the bet. You paid for the right to throw the die, and you already received that right and used it. Sometimes it hits and sometimes it doesn't, and the fact that you hit or don't hit your die later, doesn't change how good the trade was or wasn't at the time. He's worth that dice roll, nothing more, nothing less, and to say that will change in the future isn't relevant to the evaluation process of the trade. The only thing that changes in the future is it gives credibility or takes credibility away from the scouting skill. And scouting skill has nothing to do with trade skill, they are separate games that must be analyzed separately and not comingled. If you scout well, you basically are just creating positive and negative modifiers for your trade results, but still the art of trading skill can only be evaluated BEFORE you know what a player is worth, and you have to judge it on the present known odds and never the let the future undo your logical rationalizing of the trade at the time the trade was made.

So if there is "x" dollars in the pot, and you figure out the exact percent chance you need to get the straight has to be 12% or higher, then you MUST take the gamble if your real odds are 15%. The scouting skill sets the percent, if you are perfect and find the answer, you get 15 and realize you must do it. If you screw up and only find 10, then you are hurting the team by not taking a favorable odds gamble, and if you screw up on the other side and don't see 12% but instead see 20%, then you take a gamble with bad odds. But the trade decision is a no-brainer, so the 15 that matches up with the 15 is a wash, thus you just look at the stuff left over. The reason I do it this way is because if you just look IN GENERAL at the players after the fact, you can't count the 15% draw portion that paid you off or screwed you cause that's all FAIR gamble and left to fate decide. You have to back that out, and once you back that out, now you have a different assessment to make AFTER the trade. So you need to analyze AJ in a different light if you want to find a logical way to understand what the trade meant at the time and if it was a good deal.

If you trade a nickel for Barry Sanders, and Barry breaks a leg and never plays a down, then that looks like a bad bet AFTER the fact. But the AFTER the fact isn't relevant to the fact that you always take the gamble when you get a Barry for a nickel, it was still a GOOD deal despite losing the bet later. And it was a GOOD deal because you can only evaluate deals at the time they are made, once that time has passed, you aren't allowed to go back and evaluate the deal logically because you will want to use FUTURE information to justify if it was good or bad, and that is against the rules of logical trade evaluation.

[VinnyTheMick]

update spring training avg,on players traded

A.jackson 13 for 30=.433 avg (1-Hr)DET
C.granderson 4 for 22 =.188avg (0-Hr)N.Y.
J.damon 9 for 25 -280 avg (1-hr)Det

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Hmmmmmmmmmmm did you see that bomb?

[kellmellus50]

Yes, i did see that bomb curtis granderson hit .455 feet.

Ex-Tiger Curtis Granderson homers in first at-bat with Yankees, but Red Sox win
Tony Paul / The Detroit News
Alex Rodriguez and Jorge Posada struck out, Derek Jeter and Mark Teixeira flew out. When it comes to debut at-bats as a member of the Yankees, Curtis Granderson has no peers among his new All-Star teammates.

Granderson homered in his first at-bat with New York, hammering a 3-2 fastball from Boston ace Josh Beckett deep into the right-center field bleachers at Fenway Park in Major League Baseball's single-game Sunday night opener.

Granderson finished 1-for-4 with a walk and made an impressive leaping catch in deep center field, robbing Adrian Beltre of extra bases in the bottom of the second inning of Boston's 9-7, come-from-behind victory in the battle of bitter AL East rivals.



From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100405 ... z0kEGUVEaM

[Liqourish]

Damon went 2-5 with 2 RBIs and 2 runs scored. He also had a sliding catch in LF.

Austin went 1-5 but had an RBI double in the 7th that started the 6 run stretch. He also threw out a guy at home play from CF saving a run and keeping our 4 run lead.

Phil Coke pitched 0.2 innings, he gave up two hits, but allowed no runs.

[VinnyTheMick]

Curtis with the game winning HR. Did you expect that from a guy whose career is sliding downward? Furthermore, how is Johnny Damon's career not trending downward? Yet you said you would have traded Granderson for Damon?

Insane.

[Liqourish]

^ Who are you talking to?

[Bartender]

Edwin Jackson with a HR yesterday. LOL

[kellmellus50]

^ Who are you talking to?

He's talking to himself.

[Liqourish]

Austin Jackson has been great so far. He's not a power threat as of now, but he's making plays both at the plate and in the field. Right now, he's got to be the (way to) early favorite for AL ROY.

I miss Edwin. I know he stumbled down the stretch last year, but he wasn't the only one. I still think he's a better AL pitcher than NL pitcher and wish we had him still. Scherzer hasn't been bad, but I thought Edwin made a nice combo with Verlander/Porcello. They all fed off each other. I dunno how much it's affecting our guys, but our rotation just looks off right now.