Tigers need to make some trades -- and soon

[kellmellus50]

Start looking for a trade now. If the Tigers are close at the trade deadline, we know they’re going to make a move. Last year, they added Jarrod Washburn and Aubrey Huff in a pair of deadline deals. Neither player paid off, but the moves made sense at the time. Instead of waiting until the end of July, the Tigers need to start pretending that the trade deadline is June 15. Maybe the price will be a little higher. Maybe the pool of available talent will be shallower. But can you really wait around an extra month? You can’t, or you run the risk of turning into a seller

http://www.freep.com/article/20100607/S ... l-scrutiny

[TSE]

We've desperately needed lots of trades for a long time. Our team is worthless until we reshape, and every day that goes by is just more wasted time and less opportunity to get better faster and more securely for the future.

[RustInPeace]

Indeed. According to my homemade stat called ATVoBP (Absolute Total Value of Baseball Player) where you divide the player's SLG by how many errors per 50 games he makes and multiply that number by 70% of said players' RBI, 86.5% of our players are playing below average. This team needs to blow up, we could start off by trading Austin Jackson for Marcus Thames (a borderline all-star if we go by my flawless formula).

I need to show this to Dave Dumbrowski because I am confident that my credentials as a keyboard manager are deserving of a position in the front office. How I view this team is definitely better than this worthless GM.

[ajaX82]

Indeed. According to my homemade stat called ATVoBP (Absolute Total Value of Baseball Player) where you divide the player's SLG by how many errors per 50 games he makes and multiply that number by 70% of said players' RBI, 86.5% of our players are playing below average. This team needs to blow up, we could start off by trading Austin Jackson for Marcus Thames (a borderline all-star if we go by my flawless formula).

I need to show this to Dave Dumbrowski because I am confident that my credentials as a keyboard manager are deserving of a position in the front office. How I view this team is definitely better than this worthless GM.

dead on my man

[kellmellus50]

Here's where rustinplace went wrong you don't trade austin jackson he is our future center fielder ,you build around him not trade him !!!.

[ajaX82]

Here's where rustinplace went wrong you don't trade austin jackson he is our future center fielder ,you build around him not trade him !!!.

i think you missed the point of his post

[kellmellus50]

If you want to trade some one start with :Rick Porcello #48 Starting Pitcher get something while you can for him he on a down swing and is going down fast.

[ajaX82]

If you want to trade some one start with :Rick Porcello #48 Starting Pitcher get something while you can for him he on a down swing and is going down fast.

So sell low? You must not be a day trader. Not too mention trading one of our prized players is just downright silly

[kellmellus50]

Plain and simple if you want to get into the playoffs you have to get better players both batting and pitching and you can't wait till the best time to trade them ,you have to do it before the season is over.
Ajax you need to wake up and smell the coffee the tigers are on the clock!!!

[TSE]

Plain and simple if you want to get into the playoffs you have to get better players both batting and pitching and you can't wait till the best time to trade them ,you have to do it before the season is over.
Ajax you need to wake up and smell the coffee the tigers are on the clock!!!

I would rather they do what they should have done at the beginning of the year, or better yet the end of last year, or better yet the beginning of last season, or better yet etc. that they trade away all the bad pieces that can't win a WS now or in the future with us. Either use them to win or sell them before they depreciate further for whatever they are worth as chips. It's this simple logic that DD can't grasp, and that's the only way you can ever achieve true potential for a franchise. You have to do it that way, and there is no logical alternative that results in a better optimum.

So forget about trying to compete for the playoffs THIS year, we have to get sets of years ahead straight, and the first order of business is to clean house. Once you do that, THEN you try to get back into the playoffs this year, but with how much house cleaning we need to do, it's going to break us this year so that we can have a for sure solid foundation for the next 10. One year for the benefit of 10 is a HUGE value to capitalize on, especially if you were going to fail anyhow in going for the WS with that 1 year. If you can't figure out if you will win, and you are also not cashing in on high value ROI deals for the future, then what the hell are you? Not a good baseball GM is what, cause those are the only 2 things a DD needs to be able to clearly see. Our GM and owner is blind to this logic and we keep paying huge amounts of money for epic and embarrassing failure. Shame on you guys. Man up and wise up and pick up the damn phone and call me and let me do it for you cause I can get the job done with CERTAINTY while saving the team millions. You people owe it to all of Detroit to have the best person possible running the team, and that's me, so what's the problem?

[kellmellus50]

Here's the problem:
In order to get to be GM of some team you have to move through the system.But first you have to start somewere like scouting and then start climbing the corperate ladder (takes years).
No one will hire you just saying you can get the job done even though you may believe it ,you have to show it on a professional level in the lions or tigers organaziation.
In order to get in you have to start at the bottom to get inside than start your moves.

[Liqourish]

Indeed. According to my homemade stat called ATVoBP (Absolute Total Value of Baseball Player) where you divide the player's SLG by how many errors per 50 games he makes and multiply that number by 70% of said players' RBI, 86.5% of our players are playing below average. This team needs to blow up, we could start off by trading Austin Jackson for Marcus Thames (a borderline all-star if we go by my flawless formula).

I need to show this to Dave Dumbrowski because I am confident that my credentials as a keyboard manager are deserving of a position in the front office. How I view this team is definitely better than this worthless GM.

[chrbal]

Is it wrong that I want to see Casey Fien be a part of a trade, just to get Kell riled up again?

[TSE]

Here's the problem:
In order to get to be GM of some team you have to move through the system.But first you have to start somewere like scouting and then start climbing the corperate ladder (takes years).
No one will hire you just saying you can get the job done even though you may believe it ,you have to show it on a professional level in the lions or tigers organaziation.
In order to get in you have to start at the bottom to get inside than start your moves.

That's not the problem. The Tigers have the problem, and it's their responsibility to find a solution, even if it is hard. If not me then somebody, but there's no excuse for not solving the problem. It's their power and their choice moreso than it is mine.

[kellmellus50]

Is it wrong that I want to see Casey Fien be a part of a trade, just to get Kell riled up again?

Someday Fein will be pitching for the tigers and i could happen as early as sept just wait and see.

2010 Season
Team League W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
TOL INT 1 0 2.48 23 0 0 0............... 3 36.1 31 12 10 4 6 25 0.93 .231

[kellmellus50]

Here's the problem:
In order to get to be GM of some team you have to move through the system.But first you have to start somewere like scouting and then start climbing the corperate ladder (takes years).
No one will hire you just saying you can get the job done even though you may believe it ,you have to show it on a professional level in the lions or tigers organaziation.
In order to get in you have to start at the bottom to get inside than start your moves.

That's not the problem. The Tigers have the problem, and it's their responsibility to find a solution, even if it is hard. If not me then somebody, but there's no excuse for not solving the problem. It's their power and their choice moreso than it is mine.

TSE...I know what you think about the tigers and lions,but what do you thing about the pistons ? Do you think the same about them as the tigers and lions.

[TSE]

Pretty much. I have the Tigers ranked as the worst, and amonst the worst in all sports due to the excessive cost that pairs up with their incompetence from a managerial standpoint. There is no excuse to lose in sports before you take the field, and those 3 teams of ours go way out of their way to make it harder for our players to have success. All on account of bad logic. That's a shame.

[kellmellus50]

Pretty much. I have the Tigers ranked as the worst, and amonst the worst in all sports due to the excessive cost that pairs up with theirThere is no excuse to lose in sports before you take the field, and those 3 teams of ours go way out of their way to make it harder for our players to have success. All on account of bad logic. That's a shame.

This does not make sence ? if you have the tigers ranked worst in all sports way are they battling for first place in their division ? this must mean they are doing something right , so their must be a flaw in your rankings or figures ?

But I do agree with you that leeland is incompetence from a managerial standpoint. I see to many mistakes made by him even in the playoffs. he also hangs on the pitcher too long like sparky.

[TSE]

Well if it was just based upon this year then it wouldn't be as bad. It's based on a history, and there is a premium penalty to spending a premium amount of money to fail when I believe that it is quite simple to purchase your way into a dominant strategic position. The fact that we spend the money we do to not have that, in conjunction with the total amount of time and dollars that DD has had at his disposal over the years leaves me to rank us dead last in terms of disappointment with getting so little (wins/titles) out of so much (money/time) despite also having so much opportunity (willing owner).

As far as being neck and neck with the Twins, well that's not good enough, we should be and could be faring better and no matter how many wins this team gets, if we can get MORE wins on top of that by simply being smart, then I am not going to be happy until they gain those wins, and by my count we are WAY short on the amount of wins we should have. It's unacceptable, and we have arguably a 50% chance of dropping further from our present stock as opposed to gaining. So a bad spot with a coin flip to be even sadder, that to me is not worth it. We have an illogical team in structure and I don't find it appealing to watch this kind of a baseball team, it to me represents nothing other than incompetence and futility.

I want that stench to go away.

[kellmellus50]

The Tigers plan to recall pitcher Jay Sborz today from Toledo to replace Rick Porcello . The right-handed Sborz is 1-1 with a 3.04 ERA, 15 saves and 28 strikeouts in 24 appearances with the Mud Hens.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100622 ... z0raDhnD2h