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Tigers Vs. Angels 

Post#1 » by m23uza1hem36 » Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:51 am

Detroit Tigers (65-58) Vs. LA Angels (74-48)

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Game 1: Monday, August 24th, 10:05 PM ET.
Justin Verlander, RHP (13-7, 3.29) Vs. Jered Weaver, RHP (13-4, 3.89)
Tigers: Verlander crossed the 200-strikeout mark for the season with his 10-strikeout performance in his last outing Wednesday against the Mariners, but a three-run fifth inning and a lack of offensive support sent him to defeat for the second time in his past three outings. He's on pace for a 250-strikeout season, but it's looking less and less likely that he'll approach the 20-win mark. He has split a pair of decisions against the Angels, including one in which he struck out seven in eight scoreless on June 5 at Comerica Park.

Angels: Weaver is coming off his second career shutout and fourth complete game, a seven-hit blanking of the Indians at Progressive Field on Wednesday night. He was in command from the start, striking out two in the first inning, but became efficient as the game wore on with early-count outs -- and high-quality defense, especially on a run-saving play by third baseman Chone Figgins. The shutout erased the bitter taste of his worst outing of the season in Baltimore. Weaver had a seven-inning no-decision against the Tigers in April, yielding three earned runs. He's 2-1 with a 7.08 ERA in four career outings against Detroit and is 8-1 with a 2.76 ERA in 13 home assignments this season.


Game 2: Tuesday, August 25th, 10:05 PM ET.
Jarrod Washburn, LHP (8-7, 3.18) Vs. John Lackey, RHP (8-6, 4.00)
Tigers: After making his first four starts as a Tiger at Comerica Park, Washburn gets to take the mound on the road for the first time in three weeks. But even this start is probably going to feel like home because he pitched the first seven years of his Major League career for the Angels. He is 30-37 for his career at Angel Stadium, but four of those losses came during his past four seasons with the Mariners. Of greater concern are his four starts as a Tiger, during which he has given up 17 earned runs on 24 hits in 25 1/3 innings.

Angels: Lackey endured his worst outing in six weeks on Thursday night in Cleveland, getting hammered for six earned runs on six hits and four walks in 5 1/3 innings, and striking out three. It was the first time in seven starts, since a July 7 loss to the Rangers, in which he'd yielded more than three earned runs in a game and failed to pitch into the seventh inning. Lackey is seeking win No. 100, a plateau reached by only four Angels pitchers: Nolan Ryan, Frank Tanana, Mike Witt and Chuck Finley. Lackey is 6-0 with a 3.31 ERA in eight career starts against the Tigers. He's 4-4 with a 3.83 ERA at home this season.


Game 3: Wednesday, August 26th, 3:35 PM ET.
Edwin Jackson, RHP (10-5, 2.86) Vs. Joe Saunders, LHP (9-7, 5.33
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Tigers: Having surrendered seven runs on 18 hits in 10 innings over his previous two starts, Jackson bounced back against the A's on Friday, allowing two runs on six hits and striking out five to earn the win. The 25-year-old will look to keep rolling against the Angels. He's 1-1 with a 2.40 ERA in two starts against the Halos this year, including a one-run, complete-game performance on June 6.

Angels: Saunders is optimistic that a two-week trip to the disabled list after a dismal outing on Aug. 7, lasting only 1 2/3 innings while giving up five runs against the Rangers, has restored the health of a left shoulder that had been tight with a knot. After a 17-7 breakthrough 2008 season with a 3.41 ERA in 31 starts, Saunders is 9-7 with a 5.33 ERA in 23 outings. He is hoping to recapture his All-Star form from last year with a healthy shoulder. Saunders clearly wasn't himself during a 13-start stretch after May when his ERA was 7.51. He has had several excellent efforts, including a shutout of the Royals, but has struggled to find consistency. Looking for his first career win against the Tigers -- he's 0-1 with a 5.40 ERA in six starts -- Saunders is 4-3 with a 4.63 ERA at home this season.
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Re: Tigers Vs. Angels 

Post#2 » by Liqourish » Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:16 pm

Let's hope for two out of three.
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Post#3 » by TSE » Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:15 pm

Liqourish wrote:Let's hope for two out of three.


Let's hope then that 2/3 games we are using Santiago/Avila/Raburn/Thames in place of Everett/Laird/Thomas/Huff.
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Post#4 » by Liqourish » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:27 pm

Okay, what happened between Verlander and Laird? I went to bed since I needed to get up early and missed it.

Happy about the win. Looks like Cabrera had a GREAT game.
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Post#5 » by m23uza1hem36 » Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:53 pm

Verlander was pissed as hell that he'd given up four runs with two outs and wasn't on the same page as Laird pitch selection wise and they got into each others skin a little, nothing serious.

Watch it here: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090825&content_id=6605810&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Cabrera was awesome, Guillen finally hit a big one.
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Post#6 » by TSE » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:18 pm

Leyland also failed again by not having Laird bunt with 1 man on. Quite sad, especially considering as much as I have a dislike for Laird's bat, I have an equally high degree of appreciation for him as a bunter. He's an awesome bunter, and it was a prime bunting situation, you can't get a more tailor made situation and excuse for the guy to be at a plate. Let the man bunt for crying out loud! :roll:
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Post#7 » by Bartender » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:20 pm

Great game. People in my house (girlfriend, girlfriends brother), were tellin me to go to bed and i kept saying no (when the game was 10-0 Tigers) and all of a sudded, its 10-7. Happy I stayed up and seen Fernando get a nice 4 out save.
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Bartender wrote:Great game. People in my house (girlfriend, girlfriends brother), were tellin me to go to bed and i kept saying no (when the game was 10-0 Tigers) and all of a sudded, its 10-7. Happy I stayed up and seen Fernando get a nice 4 out save.


I got a kick out of Rod Allen's comment right after it became 10-7, he casually said the phrase "Now I still think the Tigers will win this one....". Wow Rod, you are really going out on a limb by choosing a side that has a 3 run lead with an inning and a half to play and nobody on base. Like as if there is an alternative logical position of wanting to bet on the other team to overcome the tremendous mathematical odds that are still not in their favor.
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Post#9 » by Bartender » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:39 pm

I remember that.. but ****, the tigers were playing the best offensive team in baseball. They overcame a 10-0 lead in 2 innings..... of course they can come back and win especially at home with such a amazing lineup that they have.
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Bartender wrote:I remember that.. but ****, the tigers were playing the best offensive team in baseball. They overcame a 10-0 lead in 2 innings..... of course they can come back and win especially at home with such a amazing lineup that they have.


Of course, anything's possible, but for practical purposes it just burns me cause Rod makes these kinds of statements all the time. He has hard a time seeing practical logic and he gets confused and flustered all the time. People say that the game of baseball is slow and boring, but not for Rod, the game seemingly moves way too fast for him at times.

I like Rod for the good nuggets that he comes up with, for example, a couple games ago he really succinctly and astutely broke down a ground ball hit to Everett. He was explaining for the youngins how Everett played everything perfectly, from the body position and angle to field the ball so that he would have a good turning radius to make the throw, fielding the ball at the time that he's getting his back foot settled in with weight so he can have nice weight shift and torque, and the angle of his glove in staying low so that he could correct and adjust upward if necessary, etc.

It's times like that I really relish having Rod with the color commentary, but then there's times he teaches the youngins the wrong things and also says that's the way to play it when he's not even close. It's just a mixed bag, he needs to learn better on how to identify his good nuggets from his detracting comments, and keep the misinformation and illogical absurdities out, and keep that good stuff in.

There should be a thread devoted to a mixed bag of brilliant/dumb and bizarre/funny things that Allen or Impemba say, cause there's something outrageous said every other game. My all-time favorite was a game inbetween innings where it was really quiet and the camera was panning around, and it stopped on a young guy with some very young girls, presumably high school or younger, and Rod just casually said..."well that boy keeps some nice company". Priceless. :)
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Post#11 » by Bartender » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:22 pm

lol i wouldn't hate on the guy for saying that. I prolly would of too. But saying that he thinks the Tigers are still gonna win isn't bad to say IMO. I was gettin' worried that the Angels were gonna come back and win and when he said that, it kind of settled me down.

Like I said, the Angels have THE best offense in baseball so when they made it 10-7, I was definitely getting worried that they would take over the game.
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Post#12 » by TSE » Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:46 pm

Bartender wrote:lol i wouldn't hate on the guy for saying that. I prolly would of too. But saying that he thinks the Tigers are still gonna win isn't bad to say IMO. I was gettin' worried that the Angels were gonna come back and win and when he said that, it kind of settled me down.

Like I said, the Angels have THE best offense in baseball so when they made it 10-7, I was definitely getting worried that they would take over the game.


Yes, but for any team to score 3 runs on 4 outs with nobody on base is such a statistical improbability. If the Angels had such a great offense that 3 runs per inning was a real threat, how come they aren't scoring 30 runs a game? Because they are good but not that good, thus it's a little premature to get worried, and the way Allen said it, he was saying it casual like there was some kind of questionable debate as to who is projected to win the game, and he slided towards the Tigers side. If I were to say something of that flavor, I would be more inclined to say something to the affect of ..."now granted the Angels are still a mile and a half away from winning this game, as the statistical odds still give them a gigantic disadvantage, but you still don't like having to see your team give up so much scoring late in games with relief pitching to give a team any remote chance of climbing back into it to steal the game after you were up 10-0".

I'm not worried about that comment so much, it was a very mild thing that I was amused by, it's not anywhere remotely close to the level of bizarre things he is capable of saying, just that he needs to be more cognizant of things that he is doing wrong in general and how he misleads the audience and is totally oblivious to the reality of what's happening in a game. If I owned the Tigers it's not like I would be firing him and replacing him with somebody else over this, I would just simply have a 20 minute conversation to iron out some of these issues and just move on, he could be such a more potent and effective commentator if he just ironed out a couple of his bad idiosyncrasies.
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Post#13 » by Bartender » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:03 pm

when a team makes the game 10-7 in two innings after being down 10-0, yeah.. the odds are pretty good they can win the game.
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Post#14 » by Bartender » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:08 pm

TSE wrote:"now granted the Angels are still a mile and a half away from winning this game, as the statistical odds still give them a gigantic disadvantage, but you still don't like having to see your team give up so much scoring late in games with relief pitching to give a team any remote chance of climbing back into it to steal the game after you were up 10-0".


I would seriously hate you as a commentator. This is a perfect example of what people DON'T want to hear. You take a simple statement like "I think the Tigers are still gonna win" and you analyze it and make it so long and pointless. People like to hear short sweet and to the point. You are definitely a minority, bro. You're so figurative and try to be so adept to how you speak. People want to listen to a regular guy speak regular sentences.. not a scientist giving lectures.

That's why people hate you on realgm... just to let you know.
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Post#15 » by Liqourish » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:16 pm

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Post#16 » by TSE » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:24 pm

Bartender wrote:
TSE wrote:"now granted the Angels are still a mile and a half away from winning this game, as the statistical odds still give them a gigantic disadvantage, but you still don't like having to see your team give up so much scoring late in games with relief pitching to give a team any remote chance of climbing back into it to steal the game after you were up 10-0".


I would seriously hate you as a commentator. This is a perfect example of what people DON'T want to hear. You take a simple statement like "I think the Tigers are still gonna win" and you analyze it and make it so long and pointless. People like to hear short sweet and to the point. You are definitely a minority, bro. You're so figurative and try to be so adept to how you speak. People want to listen to a regular guy speak regular sentences.. not a scientist giving lectures.

That's why people hate you on realgm... just to let you know.


That's not how I would commentate a game, i wouldn't say a statement like that, that's the point. If I were to say something, I wouldn't say gibberish that doesnt make sense. I'm either going to say something that IS interesting or not say anything at all. Rod has interesting things to say from time to time, so all I'm saying is he should only talk when he has something legitimate to say, and not bogus gibberish, which he does all to frequently.

And you can't judge a person on how they sound and how they communicate with people from an internet board, there are completely different dynamics, it's a different method of communication and my intent and objective on this board are different than what I would be discussing on the air as well as the manner of which I'm discussing it. Apples and oranges.

Not sure what you are trying to insinuate with the "hate" comments. I don't know who out there hates me, or who you are referring to. If you hate me yourself, well that's your opinion, but it's not proper to bundle in others and attach them with a feeling of hatred towards me. If others want to hate me as well then leave that to be their business and just worry about professing your own feelings and not spreading other ill-feelings of others as some ambassador of hate. Besides, the only people I have ever seen post anything negative about me in any way are the same people that have never made a sincere attempt to discuss or debate or have a friendly or a professional conversation with me. That's just the nature of the beast of the internet, people don't have a legal obligation to treat other people with respect and fairness. They can make illogical rebuttals and do all the name-calling they want, that doesn't mean that their opinions hold a lot of weight given the context of the situation of their hate-inspired comments. Their actions should be ignored and brushed under the rug and not dwelled upon and referenced, as their comments don't have any substance or validity to them. It's all hot air.
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Post#17 » by Bartender » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:42 pm

TSE wrote:That's not how I would commentate a game, i wouldn't say a statement like that, that's the point. If I were to say something, I wouldn't say gibberish that doesnt make sense.

How is "I think the Tigers are still going to win" after the best team in baseball since the break just came back 7 runs and are only down 3 at the point of the statment gibberish and not make sense to say?

TSE wrote:And you can't judge a person on how they sound and how they communicate with people from an internet board.

Yes I can.

TSE wrote:Not sure what you are trying to insinuate with the "hate" comments.

Don't be so naive. lol

TSE wrote:If others want to hate me as well then leave that to be their business and just worry about professing your own feelings and not spreading other ill-feelings of others as some ambassador of hate.

This makes me wanna kick you in your teeth.

TSE wrote:Besides, the only people I have ever seen post anything negative about me in any way are the same people that have never made a sincere attempt to discuss or debate or have a friendly or a professional conversation with me.

There's no point in arguing with you. Your logic and math are greater than God... remember?

TSE wrote:That's just the nature of the beast of the internet.

Porn > whatever it is you're talking about. 8-)

TSE wrote:people don't have a legal obligation to treat other people with respect and fairness.

lmao ok, send me to jail

TSE wrote:They can make illogical rebuttals and do all the name-calling they want, that doesn't mean that their opinions hold a lot of weight given the context of the situation of their hate-inspired comments. Their actions should be ignored and brushed under the rug and not dwelled upon and referenced, as their comments don't have any substance or validity to them. It's all hot air.

Yup, more 'I wanna kick you in your teeth' feelings.



How's that for analyzing?
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Post#18 » by TSE » Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:58 pm

You lost me. I said it WASN'T illegal, then you asked me to send you to jail. You have things backwards. Also, NO I do not remember saying I was more logical than God. See you are just making things up in addition to analyzing things backwards. So if you hate me, it's because you can't handle the truth that your illogical posting and substandard analysis and broken rationalizations have made you look foolish in an attempt to discredit me. Thus, you resort to hating me as your defense mechanism to deal with your own shortcomings.
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Post#19 » by Bartender » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:06 pm

who besides you thinks that i have illogical postings? name one thing i EVER said about a detroits sports team that wasn't logical?
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Post#20 » by TSE » Tue Aug 25, 2009 6:24 pm

Bartender wrote:who besides you thinks that i have illogical postings? name one thing i EVER said about a detroits sports team that wasn't logical?


You're whole post right above mine is filled with poor logic. Why are you mocking me sending you to jail when I said it wasn't illegal? Do you not see how your mocking of me is backwards? Also, you said "remember" like as if there was a time that I said I was more logical than God. You are either making that up or you are making a false assumption. Either way, having an INCORRECT GIVEN to start your analysis of my post.

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