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Blue Jays Vs. Tigers 

Post#1 » by m23uza1hem36 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:28 am

Toronto Blue Jays Vs. Detroit Tigers

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Game 1: Friday, September 11th, 7:05 PM ET.
Probable Pitchers: Brian Tallet, LHP (6-9, 5.31) Vs. Nate Robertson, LHP (1-1, 5.40)
Blue Jays: It appears as though Tallet will be in the rotation for the rest of the season after serving as both a starter (21 games) and as a reliever (12) this season. He was pressed into a starter's role early in the season because of injuries in the rotation. Tallet beat the Yankees in his previous start to end a five-game losing string, four as a starter. It was his first win since June 23. Against New York on Sunday, he allowed five runs in five innings and fell behind, 5-4, but the Blue Jays picked him up with an eight-run bottom of the fifth in a 14-8 win. He probably pitched better than the five runs showed. He gave up three in the third with the hardest-hit ball by Mark Teixeira that hit Tallet's left leg. Tallet was able to retrieve the ball and get the out at first. He said it should not affect him in his next start. He has pitched twice this season against the Tigers, as a reliever, and had a clean inning each time, with two strikeouts in the second outing.

Tigers: It essentially came down to Robertson and Armando Galarraga to see who would get the Tigers' final rotation spot. After Galarraga gave up six runs in 2 1/3 innings against the Rays on Saturday, Robertson became the guy. The 32-year-old has only made two starts this season, but those two were good ones, as he combined to give up just one earned run in 10 innings (a 0.90 ERA). He will be facing the Blue Jays on seven days' rest. Robertson's pitched six shutout innings in his last start, against the Indians, giving up four hits and walking two while striking out four. Robertson is 3-3 with a 5.00 ERA in 10 career games (seven starts) against Toronto.


Game 2: Saturday, September 12th, 7:05 PM ET.
Probable Pitchers: Scott Richmond, RHP (6-9, 4.76) Vs. Edwin Jackson, RHP (12-6, 3.10)
Blue Jays: As Richmond tries to earn a spot in next year's rotation and searches for his first win since June 24, he continues to be plagued by one bad inning. Against the Minnesota Twins on Monday it was the first, when his pitches found too much of the plate and he gave up five runs. After allowing a second-inning double, he retired 13 in a row and lasted six innings, giving up one more run in a 6-3 loss. The six earned runs were a career high. He is 0-5, 7.15 ERA, in his past seven starts. He missed most of July with biceps tendinitis but says that has not been a factor, but patches of poor pitch location have been the problem. He has not pitched against Detroit in his career.

Tigers: Jackson's competitive nature was in full swing in a victory against the Rays on Sunday. Opposing Wade Davis, who was making his Major League debut and gave up just one run in seven innings, the ex-Ray kept his team in the game before Brandon Inge rewarded him with a go-ahead grand slam in the top of the ninth. Jackson finished with three runs on six hits in eight innings. Going into the eighth, the 25-year-old -- who turns 26 on Wednesday -- had logged 106 pitches, but he pitched through the frame in order to keep it a two-run game and eventually qualify for the win. Jackson is 3-1 with a 2.33 ERA against the American League East this year, but he has just two wins in his past 10 road starts.


Game 3: Sunday, September 13th, 1:05 PM ET.
Probable Pitchers: Ricky Romero, LHP (12-7, 4.14) Vs. Rick Porcello, RHP (12-8, 4.26)
Blue Jays: After two losses in a row -- to the Red Sox and the Yankees, respectively -- Romero earned a victory over the Twins on Tuesday despite falling behind 3-0 after three innings. He lasted 6 2/3 innings, allowed seven hits, three walks ands struck out four and benefited from Toronto's six-run sixth. With 12 victories, Romero is tied for third on the franchise's list for wins by a rookie. Left-hander Jeff Musselman had 12 in 1987. Romero still needs to learn to finish off hitters when he is ahead 0-2 or 1-2. He made his Major League debut against the Tigers on April 9 and earned the victory in a 6-2 game with six innings, seven hits, two runs, one home run, two walks and five strikeouts.

Tigers: Though many expected Porcello to be ahead of the curve when he made the Tigers rotation out of Spring Training, few could have imagined he'd end up so critical to the Tigers' success this season when he made his Major League debut against the Blue Jays back on April 9 at Rogers Centre. He lost that game in part on a couple of wayward offspeed pitches, but he has been much more of a power pitcher lately, using his fastball early and often to set up his sinker. Another win would give Porcello the highest win total in a season by a pitcher age 20 or younger since Dwight Gooden won 24 in 1985.


Game 4: Monday, September 14th, 7:05 PM ET.
Probable Pitchers: David Purcey, LHP (0-2, 7.01) Vs. To be announced
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Post#2 » by ElectricMayhem » Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:52 am

Tigers will win at least 2/3.
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Post#3 » by TSE » Fri Sep 11, 2009 7:31 am

I'm predicting that Dlugach will get his first at-bat in this series.
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Post#4 » by ajaX82 » Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:11 pm

come on ladies pick it up now....

two aces throwing tonight. Tallett v Robertson...whoa baby.
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Post#5 » by ElectricMayhem » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:59 am

This win 6, lose 5 stuff has been the Tigers MO all year.
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Post#6 » by TSE » Sun Sep 13, 2009 5:45 am

GenshiYagyu wrote:This win 6, lose 5 stuff has been the Tigers MO all year.


It's the Dlugach curse. The Tigers have been teasing us with him for a long time now, they can't break the curse until they play him. Put the kid in the game Jim! And if it's not too much to ask, please no more Gerald Laird, I have seen enough of him for 3 lifetimes.
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Post#7 » by Liqourish » Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:17 pm

Jim Leyland makes me question his knowledge of baseball. Bottom of the ninth, down two, two men on, two out and you use Ryan fracking Raburn as a pinch hitter? You know he's going to strike out to end the inning. It's what he does besides commit errors in the outfield.

Dlugach hasn't done anything exceptional since coming back from surgery two seasons ago, please stop with this nonsense. Let him show something in practice before you go putting into games that actually matter.
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Post#8 » by TSE » Sun Sep 13, 2009 4:39 pm

Liqourish wrote:Jim Leyland makes me question his knowledge of baseball. Bottom of the ninth, down two, two men on, two out and you use Ryan fracking Raburn as a pinch hitter? You know he's going to strike out to end the inning. It's what he does besides commit errors in the outfield.

Dlugach hasn't done anything exceptional since coming back from surgery two seasons ago, please stop with this nonsense. Let him show something in practice before you go putting into games that actually matter.


Sorry dude, but you haven't been paying attention to Dlugach, he had a solid season in the minors and has proven himself to be a much better baseball player than Adam Everett. He would have to hit so far below his AVG/SLG numbers in the minors before he would generate a negative impact over Adam Everett. I'm a hardcore fan and I take my baseball seriously, and it is seriously disgusting to see a guy like Everett on our roster, he doesn't deserve taking up any of our top 2 spots, he has no place on this team. If you want me to stop talking about how bad Adam Everett is, then don't talk to me about him in any facet, cause I will NEVER let that go. I am very passionate about my Tigers and I am not going to be silenced by anybody when the manager does atrocious things that really hurt our team and our city. It's RIDICULOUS and INSULTING to all fans of the team to put a guy like that in in the lineup on a regular basis. I will not stay quiet on this issue until the Tigers get it right. IT HAS TO STOP!
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Post#9 » by Liqourish » Mon Sep 14, 2009 1:15 pm

Porcello pitched great. Gerald Laird with a great game after TSE's plea BUAHAHAHAHA

I have been watching Dlugach and he hasn't proven ****.
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Post#10 » by TSE » Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:06 pm

Liqourish wrote:Porcello pitched great. Gerald Laird with a great game after TSE's plea BUAHAHAHAHA

I have been watching Dlugach and he hasn't proven ****.


Explain to me how Everett is a better hitter than Dlugach? You are talking like one of those people that believes they can "watch" a guy and somehow know how to objectively evaluate him. It's not about "getting a feel" for a guy, it's about the numbers, he has HIT in the minors. Everett has been a complete failure. It's possible the Dlugach might not hit well in MLB, but he at least has SOME CHANCE. Everett has no chance as he is a lifelong failure as a hitter. It's simple logic. We lose for certain with Everett in the mini-game of "SS hitting", and with Dlugach we at least have SOME chance, if not a decent to good chance. Fielding differences are currently very marginal, but with Everett getting older and with Dlugach's upside from what I've been reading about, they might be non-existent.

Not to mention you fail to understand the grand scheme of things by thinking one game can justify having a bad player. Gerald Laird is another AWFUL baseball player overall, because his throwing is NOT exceptional enough to cover for his abysmal hitting, it's not even close. Call me when he starts throwing out 60% as opposed to 40% and we can talk about extending him a roster spot.

Your comments above show that you know jack-squat about the strategy of baseball. You can laugh all you want and type all the profanity you'd like, but it won't change the fact that I know what I'm talking about and that I use appropriate logic in establishing my points, rather than just typing nonsensical and illogical gibberish.
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Post#11 » by ajaX82 » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:45 am

Aubrey Huff to the rescue
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Post#12 » by ajaX82 » Tue Sep 15, 2009 2:13 am

...and Avila grounding into a wanna be DP thats turns into an error for the win.....sexy

I'll take it. wow. White Sux are off, Twinkies losing, and we win. Huge. So huge. That could be the Central right there to be honest.
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Post#13 » by TSE » Tue Sep 15, 2009 3:11 am

ajaX82 wrote:Aubrey Huff to the rescue


Yeah I was at the game tonight, totally awesome moment and finish.
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Post#14 » by Liqourish » Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:18 pm

^ TSE you can evaluate players by watching them. Numbers do lie. They don't take things into account like defense, chemistry, sacrifices, etc These are things you fail to comprehend, and why people around you get sick of your ego-centric posts.
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Post#15 » by TSE » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:36 pm

Liqourish wrote:^ TSE you can evaluate players by watching them. Numbers do lie. They don't take things into account like defense, chemistry, sacrifices, etc These are things you fail to comprehend, and why people around you get sick of your ego-centric posts.


Yes you can evaluate players from watching them, but you can't do a complete and comprehensive job by just simply watching them. If a guy has say 5,000 career atbats, and you only watch say 400 atbats that he had this year, then you are making an uninformed decision about the player by not taking into account what he has done with those other 4,600 atbats. Players have wide variances and cycles of hitting over different time periods, and you need to have all of the data at hand when determining what a player is worth.

Or if you did want to watch players and you were just seeing them this year, let's take a hypothetical pairing. Say we have 2 SSs that play half the time exactly and they for hypothetical discussion purposes have the exact same fielding pct and all of the same hitting stats except for one thing, say that one difference is the batting average and one guy hits .250 and the other hits .260. So in this hypothetical case we have no difference in any category whatsoever except one guy has a few extra singles to give him the 10 extra points. So which player would you prefer? Obviously you would just pick the .260 guy. But, if you watched them play this season over 400 atbats, or even if you watched them longer, say for a 10,000 bat career, do you really think that you can identify who is hitting .250 and .260 just by "watching them play" if you are not allowed to look at numbers?

Numbers do not lie, I can't even believe you said that. How one interprets numbers and evaluates the meaning of numbers may be something arguable, but the numbers themselves are the numbers, and they don't lie, hence the saying that numbers don't lie. So if now you have to make personnel decisions and you are not allowed to pull up ANY numbers whatsoever, then you are going to have a heck of a time figuring out how to manage a baseball team properly, because the numbers, while they are not EVERYTHING, they are critical to know and to use in computations and estimates and projections and in the fine-tuning of evaluating who you prefer to have on your team.

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